st. anger

[BillyFurnett]

I can dig your take on it Fusion...

I myself am not a big fan of them at all...I suppose part of me is just interested in their growing and changing from record to record at this stage of their career. (I could just as easily be posting my disatisfaction that they NEVER changed or progressed and that would suck just as much.)
I don't know what drives them or their logic or relationship to their own "Style" (Or what I'm guilty of expecting their "Style" to be) Maybe they don't even know who they are or should be anymore. (Sobering up may have pulled the rug out from under what they had in common or how they interact..Who knows right?)

I'm pretty guilty of wanting the energy and intensity they used to deliver, but that's just living in the past.

 

[Fusion2]

I can dig your take on it Fusion...

I myself am not a big fan of them at all...I suppose part of me is just interested in their growing and changing from record to record at this stage of their career. (I could just as easily be posting my disatisfaction that they NEVER changed or progressed and that would suck just as much.)
I don't know what drives them or their logic or relationship to their own "Style" (Or what I'm guilty of expecting their "Style" to be) Maybe they don't even know who they are or should be anymore. (Sobering up may have pulled the rug out from under what they had in common or how they interact..Who knows right?)

I'm pretty guilty of wanting the energy and intensity they used to deliver, but that's just living in the past.

heh, the bucks drive them, it would me to if i could make half what they do, you to i expect, they did help pioneer death metal but i was a clean crunchy heavy rock metal kinda player at the time, VH, Scorpions, etc...

donno, they just never did anything for me, humf? sandman was pretty cool i guess...

peace, rock on, whatever your taste...

 

[kdawg]

as soon as I foundout that bob rock produced it I knew it was deliberate....and I can appreciate the value of rough production, especially in these days of totally perfect (and mostly dead) sounding records; but (and there is allways a but...) that record sounds like shit. raw shit maybe, but still shit.

lots of really good, really raw records are out there. I've heard alot of brutal sounding records full of hairy tracks, and really ringy snare drums and they capture that certain feeling like nothing else can.

St. Anger is a pretty lame attempt at slumming by Rock & the girls. I guess if you spend so long making perfect records with equipment that costs as much as a house, your perseption of raw is going to be different than a guy with a pota studio and a hand-full of radioshack mics doing his best to get a perfect sound.
it's raw but its fucking fake. how lame.

 

[BillyFurnett]

Quote:

"...St. Anger is a pretty lame attempt at slumming by Rock & the girls..."

-Kdawg-



That says it all.

 

[Dioxide]

Ok here is the deal I heard it hate it whatever. Now Some of the songs could have been good. From what I've read they wanted to go raw and stripped down fine. The first thing they should have stripped down was Bob Rock the worst producer in the world, yeah hes done all this great shit yadda yadda yadda, but look at what happens after he does an album for someone... hey wehred they go. If (said Band) wanted to make a raw album that was abit modern they should have grabbed Ross Robinson that MF can make raw sound good (IE: Sepultura's Roots Both Slipknot Albums The only two real Korn Albums) even though it would have been modernized I don't think even Ross would have let them walk out with The whole ST Anger demo. I cant wait till they actually release the real St Anger to see what it sounds like W/ out that invisble kid bulls@#t song (what the hell where they thinking?) Done ranting Laters.

 

[nascentjunkie]

hmm...

well here is my take on this whole thing... You all are a bunch or recording engineers/have some experience with what sounds you like. So metallica has been around for like 20 years, they are probably really bored with what they are doing by now. Being they have done almost the same style, well more have the same idea about what they are going for. So they change it up once just for them selves, because to be honest, with an album history like they have, why in the fuck would they give a shit what anybody has to say about their music??? They more than likely just wanted to put this out to piss people off. That is what i would do anyway... Now yes i agree that compared to a studio standard drum track of today, the drum sounds are terrible. The snare is ringy and the kick isn't even present sometimes, but i dont' think they care and i think that is what they were going for in the first place. So really they already won by making everyone bitch about it!

 

[BillyFurnett]

Well maybe their next CD will be completly blank... That way they'll be really happy.

 

[therage!]

Some comments from the Rock article

First, Rock say’s this

"I wanted to do something to shake up radio and the way everything else sounds," said Rock, who helped write the music and lyrics and played basslines on the album. "To me, this album sounds like four guys in a garage getting together and writing rock songs, and that's just how we wanted it to sound."

Then he comes up with this…

Once the band packed up its gear, it was time to unpack the computers. They used the computer program ProTools to reconstruct the songs in sometimes drastically different ways.
"A lot of the songs were done in William Burroughs cut-and-paste fashion," said Rock, referring to a style in which a piece of writing is cut into pieces and reassembled at random. "There are movements in moviemaking and in music where you take technology as an art and you actually abuse it. Some people use ProTools to trick and fool the listener, but we used it more as a creative tool to do something interesting and stretch boundaries.

WTF is Bob Rock talking about here? How does this last comment of Rocks correlate with “Four guys in a garage”? This album doesn’t sound like 4 guys in a garage at all. It sounds like 4 guys struggling their asses off to write material on the spot and the only way to make it half way presentable is cut/copy paste the shit to death. What a fucking joke!