Songs to learn to help my soloing.

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Slowing becoming un-noob.
Anyone have any suggestions?
I'd say bluesy type soloing. Not like metal shredding or anything like that.

I've just hit a brick wall practicing and need something to get me going again and getting better.

Thanks guys.

-Elliot


If you have any questions, let me know.
 
This is going to sound goofy, but "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull has a really interesting solo in it that might be up your alley. Like everything Tull, it's not just a typical solo, it has this weird pre-solo lead in that I always liked a lot. Give it a listen and good luck!
 
Elliot, my suggestion is to learn stuff you already love. I know that's not probably not the response you want, but honestly, many of us here have devoured the guitar work of our idols. That's what gave me the strength to sit for hours on end learning every note of a song. Without that love, it would have been slow going. If you don't have any such idols, then start with any of the blues greats. I'm more into jazz and rock, but crossover-blues guys like Larry Carlton and Robben Ford always make me smile. I'm sure others here can offer a good blues list. Good luck, J.
 
As far as I'm concerned, the most important thing you can do to improve your soloing is to transcribe stuff yourself, with your own ear, and then figure out what the hell is going on. It allows you to understand the solo in a way that you never will if you use other peoples transcriptions.

Beyond that, listen to everything you can, and learn everything you can. Sure, learn the stuff you love the most, but learn everything else too. You probably already know your favorite stuff pretty well. Your only going to get new ideas from somewhere else.

If you are looking for something more specific, I have two words for you - Steely Dan. Many of the worlds best rock/jazz/blues guitar soloists have played solos for Steely Dan. At the very least, you can figure out which guys you want to go more in depth on.


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Been thinking about this one while working around the house tonight. Yeah, Steely Dan's great for anything related to music, including the recording process itself. Recent S.D. albums (like 'Two Against Nature') are among my favorites for reference purposes.

Even though blues isn't my primary spark, I was thinking of other bluesyish guitarists that I've learned a lot from. One that came to mind is Jeff Beck, especially during his 'Blow by Blow' phase. Man, I learned a lot about 'wringing every note for what it's worth' from that guy. That album would motivate just about any guitarist to step it up.
 
If you have not done so already, start with the "3 Kings", Albert, BB and Freddie and work your way forward. Eric Clapton's Bluesbreakers album is also a great source of good ideas. SRV will include elements of Albert and Jimmie Vaughn's early work Fabulous T-Birds albums are classic. Picking these out by ear or learning from tab would be a good learning experience.

You could also go the "lesson" route and find a book or dvd that covers the styles you like. A few that come to mind are the Hot Licks Ronnie Earl or Duke Robillard videos. Truefire.com has many, many lesson packages.

Finally, check out some of the play-along cd packages that give you a backing band an allow you to solo over these.
 
I wont waste your time by suggesting something by B. B. King or Eric Clapton, they are great but anyone interested in blues probably already has spent some time learning a few of their licks. I would suggest you dig up some old Allman Brothers music. Their early songs contained a lot of very basic blues style leads, later they incorporated more jazz into their music.

One thing to consider is, there are several distinct styles in blues (sub genres if you preferr to call them that.) Which intrests you most? New Orleans Blues? Texas Blues? Menphis Blues? Chicago Blues? East Coast Blues? New York Blues? British Blues? And probably a few others I've overlooked. They all have a lot in common but they all have certain charicteristics which make them distinct from the others. Listen to a variety, when something "grabs your soul" learn it.

I do suggest learning from older recordings, they tend to be much simpler and less processed than newer recordings, this just makes it a little easier to pick out the parts you are trying to learn and there are some fantastic old blues records out there which have mostly been forgotten.

As Muddy Waters once said to a young guitarist looking for a job in Muddy's band, "Throw away your picks, learn to play with your thumb, then come back and talk to me." That may sound like strange advice, but the rest of the story is history.
 
Man, I have TOTALLY different taste in blues than most of you guys. :lol: I love B.B. King, but less for his guitar playing and more for his voice/band. And I hated Clapton's Bluesbreakers album - it'd have been a tough sell anyway, but the horrid rendition of Ray Charles' "What I Say" was the nail in the coffin for me (I grew up on the man, and my dad and I used to jam on that tune when I first started playing years ago).

For perspective, my favorite Clapton is on the oft-derrided Howlin' Wolf London Sessions, though even then you have to ask yourself if he really compares to Hubert Sumlin at his best.

I'm going to recommend another guy who is often called overrated, but who I actually think is a criminally UNDER-rated blues player - Jimi Hendrix. Track down a copy of that Alan Douglas "Jimi: Blues" compilation; it's worth a listen for two reasons. First, the opening track is a fingerstyle acoustic rendition of "Hear My Train A'Comin'" and listening to Jimi pick sparse delta blues accompanianment on a 12-string is actually a pretty damned cool experience. Second, part of it is just that I dig his funked-up chicago blues on overdrive sound, but I think all you need to know about contemporary electric blues can be drawn from the first three or four coruses of his instrumental cover of Albert King's "Born Under a Bad Sign" that follows. I don't claim to be a great blues soloist - I don't play much blues these days - but I learned more about playing blues by just watching where he modulated to major or minor from a tension/release standpoint in those first few choruses than I did from pretty much any other source.

The other thing worth thinking about if you really want to get into blues (not "bluesy" but actual blues) soloing is to spend some time brushing up on your altered dominant chords, both as chords and as arpeggios/chord tones you resove to in a solo. It's tough to explain, but spend a few weeks playing with various dominant voicings and doublestops derrived from them, and then just start jamming out over a blues backing thinking about chords a lot, and watch what happens.
 
Well, you didn't mention your level or anything like that, but here's a specific technique that I'll mention. Forgive me if this is something you already know.

You hear a lot of blues players play nothing but the minor pentatonic or the blues scale throughout an entire solo. And while this can certainly be made to sound good, you'll open up your options for sounds quite a bit if you start thinking about combining the major pentatonic, blues scale, and minor pentatonic at the same time.

For instance, if you're playing over a C blues, instead of just playing a typcial guitar minor pentatonic lick like this maybe:

p
--11---8---------------------------------------------------

-----------11---8------------------------------------------
p
---------------------10---8--------------------------------

-------------------------------10---8----10----------------

------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------

You can maybe start off with C major pentatonic, then move into C blues, and end back with C major pentatonic. Something like this:

C maj. pent. C blues scale C maj. pent.
-----8------------------------------------------------------
p
---------10---8-----------------------------8----------------
s p h
-------------------11---10---8--------------8-9--------------
p
----------------------------------10---8--------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------

p = pull off, s = slide, h = hammer on
(Hope you can read this! I'm not used to writing out tab on the computer like this!)

This is a very simple technique that'll give your sound much more variety. You'll find that it works better at times than others. For example, if you're playing over a blues in C, you probably won't want to use the C major pentatonic over the IV chord, F7, because F7 contains Eb. So the C minor pentatonic/blues would sound better there. Or the F major pentatonic or F Mixolydian mode would be a good choice too.

There are lots of different scale choices obviously, but this scale combining technique is, for some reason, something you don't here a lot of people do. A lot of players know both scales (or all 3 if you count the blues scale), but they'll only play with one of them throughout the entire solo. It's more rare to hear players combine the scales all in one phrase.

There are lots of good examples of players that do this regularly (Larry Carlton and Robben Ford, both mentioned above, do this all the time), but a really good specific solo is SRV's "Lenny." He does a great job mixing major and minor pentatonic sounds throughout. Check it out!

Anyway, there are lots more ways to add variety to your blues solos, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. But it's a simple thing that's within most people's immediate grasp, and for some reason most people just don't think about it.

Hope this helps! Good luck! :)
 
Buy a Liquid Tension CD.
Learn any solo from the album.
Automatic Guitar God status. :D
 
I have two words for you - Steely Dan.

Them's the first two words that went thru my mind when I read the question.....

Other good suggestions.....

Eagles, Doobies, any of the most catchy most memorable solos you can think of. Molly Hatchett. Eddie Money.

Or take another challenge, listen to sax solos and try to learn those.

Get the Band In A Box cd's and start jamming to the various tracks. They are made for practicing solos, and they are in various keys that you are not used to. Every key has a slightly different approach or a different set of tricks and fret magic that you can learn and apply to other keys.

Best suggestion I have is don't neglect your pinkie. There are a lot of average 3 finger lead players, but the true greats use all four.......or more! practice using all four fingers and playing chromatic scales up and down, even if you think you will never use it......because once you learn it and get good at it, you WILL use it!
 
David Gilmore's solos in "Another Brick in the Wall, Part 2" and "Mother" from Pink Floyd's album, "The Wall" - nice and accessible, and insanely expressive, in my book
 
Seeing as you can only multi-quote so many quotes. I'll reply to a bunch of these now, and then the others later.
Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
I'm mainly looking for specific songs though if that's not too much to ask. I don't have the money to just go buy all these Cd's to look through for some good solo work.

As far as the first aqualung comment. Hell yeah. I love Jethro Tull. Especially Aqualung. Definitely will look into that solo.
If you have not done so already, start with the "3 Kings", Albert, BB and Freddie and work your way forward. Eric Clapton's Bluesbreakers album is also a great source of good ideas. SRV will include elements of Albert and Jimmie Vaughn's early work Fabulous T-Birds albums are classic. Picking these out by ear or learning from tab would be a good learning experience.

You could also go the "lesson" route and find a book or dvd that covers the styles you like. A few that come to mind are the Hot Licks Ronnie Earl or Duke Robillard videos. Truefire.com has many, many lesson packages.

Finally, check out some of the play-along cd packages that give you a backing band an allow you to solo over these.
I've never really gotten into the "lesson" route. But Maybe I'll consider it. I'll definitely look into the "3 kings" some more. Any specific songs that you'd suggest?
Been thinking about this one while working around the house tonight. Yeah, Steely Dan's great for anything related to music, including the recording process itself. Recent S.D. albums (like 'Two Against Nature') are among my favorites for reference purposes.

Even though blues isn't my primary spark, I was thinking of other bluesyish guitarists that I've learned a lot from. One that came to mind is Jeff Beck, especially during his 'Blow by Blow' phase. Man, I learned a lot about 'wringing every note for what it's worth' from that guy. That album would motivate just about any guitarist to step it up.
Steely Dan seems to be a good one based on everyone's suggestion of him. I'll look into it a little more. Jeff beck? Alright, will do. the album "Blow by Blow" ?
As far as I'm concerned, the most important thing you can do to improve your soloing is to transcribe stuff yourself, with your own ear, and then figure out what the hell is going on. It allows you to understand the solo in a way that you never will if you use other peoples transcriptions.

Beyond that, listen to everything you can, and learn everything you can. Sure, learn the stuff you love the most, but learn everything else too. You probably already know your favorite stuff pretty well. Your only going to get new ideas from somewhere else.

If you are looking for something more specific, I have two words for you - Steely Dan. Many of the worlds best rock/jazz/blues guitar soloists have played solos for Steely Dan. At the very least, you can figure out which guys you want to go more in depth on.


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I usually do try to play it by ear first. I just am looking for some songs that I Haven't played that would help me out. I'm definitely planning on checking out Steely Dan.
Elliot, my suggestion is to learn stuff you already love. I know that's not probably not the response you want, but honestly, many of us here have devoured the guitar work of our idols. That's what gave me the strength to sit for hours on end learning every note of a song. Without that love, it would have been slow going. If you don't have any such idols, then start with any of the blues greats. I'm more into jazz and rock, but crossover-blues guys like Larry Carlton and Robben Ford always make me smile. I'm sure others here can offer a good blues list. Good luck, J.
Yeah, I've learned most of the stuff I already love. And the other stuff I love, I wouldn't really want to play that much. So I'm looking for newer things. I like jazz as well. I mean, if I can just pull some good solo licks out eventually I'd be pleased with myself. Right now I feel like a one-trick pony that is dying. Larry Carlton and Robben Ford? Will do.
 
I find the best way to improve fluidity, your 'ear' and to come up with recyclable phrases is to first familiarise yourself with basic scales (major/minor, major/minor pentatonic), and then play along to your i-pod/i-tunes music library on random. I've always thought improvising as key to playing lead guitar - I'll give you an example; my friend came by the other day and was trying to play the solo from Black Sabbaths 'Paranoid'.

He had obviously sat down in front of a tab-book or had scoured the net for the tab, but had no idea why he was fretting the notes he was, you know? Where as if he learnt the Em pentatonic box at the 12th fret, it would have been much easier.

The great thing about putting your i-pod on shuffle is that it pushes you out of your comfort zone - yeah you can perfect the blues licks, but it's good to see how ya handle folk or country. You'll probably learn more about your guitar and amp settings too - that's what happened me.
 
I'm going to recommend another guy who is often called overrated, but who I actually think is a criminally UNDER-rated blues player - Jimi Hendrix. Track down a copy of that Alan Douglas "Jimi: Blues" compilation; it's worth a listen for two reasons. First, the opening track is a fingerstyle acoustic rendition of "Hear My Train A'Comin'" and listening to Jimi pick sparse delta blues accompanianment on a 12-string is actually a pretty damned cool experience. Second, part of it is just that I dig his funked-up chicago blues on overdrive sound, but I think all you need to know about contemporary electric blues can be drawn from the first three or four coruses of his instrumental cover of Albert King's "Born Under a Bad Sign" that follows. I don't claim to be a great blues soloist - I don't play much blues these days - but I learned more about playing blues by just watching where he modulated to major or minor from a tension/release standpoint in those first few choruses than I did from pretty much any other source.

Pay attention to what this man is saying. He is speaking the gospel.
 
Great suggestions all...

something else to think about is getting Tascam Guitar Trainer. This is a great little unit that's not too terribly expensive (you can find these used on Craigs list or MusicGoRound if you have one near you). You can upload your tunes and slow them down without changing the pitch. I may pick one up one of these days.
 
Amazing. It seems like I'm one of maybe 3 people who's ever heard this album. :lol:

It recently came back in print, too - I think the Hendrix family realized this was one of the few Douglas releases that actually didn't suck:

http://www.amazon.com/Blues-Jimi-He...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1231787989&sr=8-1

Strange, I thought this album was very popular among guitarists! I even wrote an article in Guitar Edge magazine about his tone on his cover of "Mannish Boy" from that album.
 
Amazing. It seems like I'm one of maybe 3 people who's ever heard this album. :lol:

Funny thing is, I somehow didn't mention, I was actually listening to that album while reading your post. It's not much of a coincidence, though. I listen to it every day. :cool:
 
If your looking for some specific Steely Dan songs, than I'll have to say Peg (Jay Gradon), Kid Charlemagne (Larry Carlton), and Reeling in the Years (Elliott Randall's solo, with Denny Diaz and Skunk Baxter) as a good starting point.



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