Sonar PE 5 or 7 or something different?

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Anyway...I've been a Cakewalk user since it was simply a midi programming utility and for playing live (ver 3). When they came out with the audio capable versions I was all over them. Some of the earlier ones sucked a bit but still weren't all that bad. I finally settled with PA9 and loved it. In fact I was living in the boonies way up on Vancouver Island and recorded my last four instrumental CDs on it using a pent 3 /533 with 128 ram. I'm back in Vancouver and realized I needed to upgrade in a huge way. Even though my recordings were sounding really good and being used for several radio program intros and getting various radio and satellite coverage it was time to move on up. So I bought a used 3 gHz machine with a GB ram and an
M-Audio Fast Track Pro as well as a version of Sonar 5 PE. It would seem that
Cakewalk has changed more than they'd ever changed in the past. The program I'd learned to love looked like "Pro Tools" or Cubase" or some other prog that I was 100% unfamiliar with. I'm sure I can and will figure it out but I'd like to ask a couple questions of the community and get some feeback.

I use XP Professional...

01.) I've got Sonar PE 5 & 7...is one more desirable than the other? Some stuff already bugs me like not being able to pull up the tuner as a tool but instead having to patch it into either a track or as a buss to access it for any particular instrument I happen to be recording. That's just one thing that has me wondering if maybe one version of Producer's Edition is much better than another. Remember the Cakewalk Pro Audio days had some dud versions like version "8"...awefull. Six was OK but it seemed like 7 & 8 were rushed and it showed. Version 9 was cool and the one I ended up happily settling with for a long time. It was a breeze to record with and even easier to use the "Auxilaries" for effects.
What version of Sonar should I be using if I stay with Producer's Edition at all?

02.) Is it time for me to possibly look at using a completely different recording suite...ie: cubase / pro tools etc... since it looks like I'm going to have to learn this one from the bottom up.
I always stayed away from Cubase, Pro Tools and other popular recording packages only because they all looked so foreign to me. Cakewalk always stayed with their basic look and if you were a Cakewalk user you pretty much stayed using it as things progressed because it stayed familiar looking and a lot of the functions remained the same throughout the years. I suppose that's still a little true in some of the ways it loks and functions but really it's operating more like one of the others I mentioned ealier in this post.
If I stick to my guns and stay with Cakewalk's new recording environment will I benifit overall? This question can only be asnwered by users who have had experience using several recording platforms.

I have system I usually stick with when starting up and recording a new composition. I say "Usually" because sometime's I'll get creative and try something completely different just for the sake of "trying it out". I record my basic drums and bass using my Roland JV-80, bounce them down to an audio track and mix it down so I can import it into "Acid". There I add percussion, sound effects and anything else I think sounds cool. I render down the "Acid" tracks and return to Cakewalk where I import them and go back to work layering guitar, bass and keyboard lines. Eventually I'll arrive at a point that I'll consider "completed" ...mix it down and master it using Sound Forge. That's it. I'm off to start the next composition. That seems to be the most common way I do things. I venture off in different directions when feeling extra creative but for the most part that's the formula that works best for me. I thought I'd add that just to give you an idea of where I'm at when it comes to using the software.

So any insight regarding the two questions I'm asking would be gratefully appreciated. See if you can talk me into or out of sticking with Cakewalk or moving over to one of the other recording platforms. Anything you can add will help. More info is good info.

Pardon me for such a long post! I do look forward to your responses.

Best regards,
Speechless (Howard Bailey)
 
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I love Sonar...Still using Sonar 5...IMO it is much easier of a learning curve than protools and nuendo/cubase, and I have used all of these extensively...stick with the company they won't let you down; and sorry for my answer not being very specific.
 
Although I have Been Cakewalking since version 5, I prefer Sonar 4 now as my "final Version". However, I have recently forced myself to delve into Ableton Live to try and keep up with the kids.
 
I'm on 6 but I can't see how you would not use 7,it's just the same but with more.

Producer edition is just the loaded version of studio,and all the plugs can be transfered to the next version.

If you are so unsure of the features why did you buy it?:confused:
 
I bought a whack of sosftware from a couple of guys. Have to sort through it and decide what kind of platform I want. Once I choose one set of progs I stick with it for a whole CD.
I hate upgrading in the middle of a project : )

Does that answer your question?
 
Sonar 5 or 7...

With the addition of 64bit processing in 6, Cakewalk treaded on ground that users of systems like Cubase and ProTools wouldn't see for almost two years. They also made improvements to the multi-processor support feature, i.e. thoe only system to utilize more than two processors.

7 added some really nice features like the VC64 pre-amp/compressor/EQ, a step sequencer, a respectable pitch corrector, improved MIDI editing tools (matter of opinion on that one), & sidechaining. the Session Drummer is also really nice.

The look and feel is slightly different, not to my liking, but that's also a matter of opinion, and the taxation of your processor is a bit more, but that's the trade-off.

I've been a user since 2. If system resources is a factor, I recommend 3. The amount of CPU usage per audio track seems to be the best I've found. You won't get all the nice perks of 7, but you'll be able to run more tracks with multi-core processor support.

SONAR 7 PE; WinXP Slipstream
P4 3GHz/HT; 800MHz FSB;2G PC3200RAM
Delta 1010LT; Presonus Firepod & FireProject
SATA System;2 Raptors in RAID-0 Data
 
Sonar three?...ASIO?

So you suggest version 3 for dual core processor systems if resources are an issue?
I've got a 3 gHz P4 machine with hyperthreading. It's plenty fast.

I remember trying out Sonar 1 (upgraded a little with some softsynths added) and I really liked the look and found it to be really easy to use...soundfonts and softsynths. It was kind of hanging on to the Pro Audio 9 handling of it's features.
I can't remember if it worked with ASIO drivers though. I'm not even sure if version 3 (sonar) has the ASIO driver option.

I'm still sitting here with two versions of Sonar (5 & 7) and I'm not sure which one I should use for my next CD.
I kind of just wanted to hear if anyone had any bad experiences with any of the SONAR versions. I've used Cakewalk from way back when it was a simple midi programming sequencer. I think it was called "Cakewalk Live 3". Then the Pro Audio series came along. There was a couple duds in that lineup. Like you definitely wanteds to stay away from version 8. It sucked. Problems everywhere and just wasn't easy to use.
I see there is a lot of programmers using Sonar version 5 Producer's Edition. In fact that one seems to be the most popular of all. I happen to have a copy of version 7 and I'm just wondering if it's much better than 5. If 7 just has more stuff well...I might as well stay with 5 'cause I still haven't even accessed everything in it yet. Like I said before...I don't like the way they've strung in the "tuner" as if it was an effect. It was better as a tool easily accessed from the drop down menu.
Basically looking for a reason to choose one or the other. 5 or 7.
 
Fools

It takes a couple fools to think the rest of the world operates like they do.
Not that I need to explain myself but the deal is I bought two fully loaded systems from two separate sources that flipped over to macbooks from PC. One system is loaded with Sonar ver 5 and the other version 7.

Totally legal above board software that now belongs to me now so keep your bogus accusations to yourself.

Thieves have the biggest locks on their doors. I'd bet you two have your studios locked up like Fort Knox.

I asked for some insight into a couple programs...if you don't want to help then don't.

Those who take pride in blind accusation usually do so because they believe the world operates at the same level as they do.
 
I bought two fully loaded systems from two separate sources that flipped over to macbooks from PC. One system is loaded with Sonar ver 5 and the other version 7.


I bought a whack of sosftware from a couple of guys. Have to sort through it and decide what kind of platform I want.

Yeah, we're the fools alright.:rolleyes:

Lets get this straight: you come on a site that software developers frequent, announce that "I bought a whack of sosftware from a couple of guys. Have to sort through it and decide what kind of platform I want" , and you expect people to help. Who's the fool??:confused::rolleyes:
 
That's Right

And most did help. I have added two systems to my collection with different layouts on them and I'm trying to choose which one I want to use.

You can't swallow it because you obviously operate on a level that is suspicous and petty. I wouldn't even think of making comments like yours. The senarios you're suggesting wouldn't even occur to me.

You can say what you like. You're no help and I won't bother wasting anymore of my time responding to your "nothing better to do" remarks.

I glanced at the comments you make and very little are about recording. Your profile says you're 43 but you talk like a 14 year old. You just continue being the little man that you are and quit bothering me.
 
I bought a whack of sosftware from a couple of guys. Have to sort through it and decide what kind of platform I want. Once I choose one set of progs I stick with it for a whole CD.
I hate upgrading in the middle of a project : )

Does that answer your question?

it does kind of sound like you have boots, but hey, I ain't judgin'

My short and sweet answer is, stay with CW. I went from 2.2xl to 7 Studio and I just dove right in, the only learning curve that I have to deal with is new stuff I haven't used yet.

That said, I got S7 with 2 instructional DVDs, which may or may not be helpful, haven't used em yet, for $220. (academic version). That money is well worth my being able to NOT feel any guilt about asking ppl to pay for MY stuff (my music, live performances included, the CDs being considered promotional items for promoting shows)....guilt I would feel if I had built it upon a foundation of NOT paying other people for their stuff.

If you want that same freedom from guilt, try REAPER, I dare say, for the price, its pretty tough to beat, and it arguably competes with some of the much more expensive apps.

Thats my $.02
 
I have added two systems to my collection with different layouts on them and I'm trying to choose which one I want to use.

Give a fool enough rope and he'll hang himself.:rolleyes:SONAR 5 is almost three years old,7 is an upgrade NOT a different app.

So you bought $$$$$$$ of software and have no idea what you've got huh?:confused:

You're not the first guy to try and turn the tables on people who know better.It's old hat and you're anything but convincing.


Buy Reaper,learn how to use it.Then when you're ready to move on to a better app D/L the demo and find out what you like/don't like about it then post your questions.
 
Thanks to the members who know what a forum's all about.

You're not the first guy to try and turn the tables on people who know better.

Turn the tables on people that know better? What does that mean? You and DaveK? Yeah...a couple of real intellects there!
I never said it was a different application. I inquired about the version only. I also never said I didn't know what I had. I asked if either was considered by some to be a better release or not. FYI...I'll post when I want and about what I want. I'm not interested in meeting your personal guidelines.
I came here to get some answers to a few simple questions. Not explain myself to a couple self appointed watchdogs.

I have to admit most members have been very nice, friendly and submitted answers to the couple questions I asked.

Thank you to those of you who were friendly enough to help me out. I honestly appreciate it.
 
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Sonar 7 Studio

Howdy Speechless,

I upgraded from Sonar 2.2XL to Sonar 7 Studio last year. The kicker for me was that Cakewalk was offering Sonar 7 Studio at half price for those who already owned a previous version of Sonar. My mistake with Sonar 2.2XL was not trying to read the manual to take full advantage of the software. After purchasing 7 I sat down and gave the manual a good read through so I would at least be aware of the functionality of the software, even if I never used some of the features.
I'm a guitar player at heart, and I like to be able to set down some drum loops fairly easily and with Session Drummer in Sonar 7 I can do just that. While there isn't a huge variety in the drum library, it has just enough for me to be able to put groove clips here and there so I can create a decent drum track for a song. All in all I do like Sonar 7, though all I have to compare it to is Sonar 2.2XL.
 
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It takes a couple fools to think the rest of the world operates like they do.
Not that I need to explain myself but the deal is I bought two fully loaded systems from two separate sources that flipped over to macbooks from PC. One system is loaded with Sonar ver 5 and the other version 7.

Totally legal above board software that now belongs to me now so keep your bogus accusations to yourself.


Personally, I love Sonar7PE, but you do know the original owner, doesn't have the right to sell it....

So...I guess maybe you can buy it, but it's illegal to sell it.
 
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