Sonar 3 monitoring problems

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I am using Sonar Prod 3 with Motu 2408mk2 interface. I can only monitor a track armed for recording when the input echo button is on and then i get a delayed signal. When the track is only in record mode, I can see the signal but can't monitor it. I can record it and play it back just fine. What stupid thing am I doing wrong? I am using the main outs of my Motu for monitoring. I have the outputs of the tracks going to Master, which seems to play back fine. Urgh!! Help me pleez.....Joe
 
It sounds like you can do the following (trying to sum up your question):

When cakewalk is idle (not playing or recording) you ARM for recording and click the Monitor button and you can hear the signal coming through the speakers.

But when you click the Record button you can't hear anything BUT you see the meter going up and down.

It sounds as if you are disabling the monitoring when you go to record??

I have never used the motu mk2 but i checked out the spec's on the mk3 and it looks like you can do the following (and i'm totally taking a guess here):

First make sure cakewalk has all of the channels of your hardware installed... meaning you can see all of the in/out channels in the Audio In/Out section.

Then setup (channels 1/2?) as your monitoring (out) bus. Then make sure you setup the tracks to output to your monitoring bus (which can then route to headphones or (which i recommend) a headphone amplifier via 2 1/4 inch jacks on the motu).

Then when you record make sure you have the Monitoring button clicked in the ON position which then you should be able to hear yourself in the phones.

[record away!]

If there is a delay, make sure you are using the correct drivers, I don't know if the motu has ASIO drivers, but if it does, use them... My delta1010 has ASIO and i get a 5ms delay which is not noticable when recording.

What kind of delays are you dealing with?
 
I am pretty much doing everything except the ASIO drivers. I have them and I tried them and still got the delay so I changed it back to WDM which I guess Cakewalk says it prefers. I have everything routed like you said. The delay is very noticeable and there's no way I can track with it. The track must be armed to record for the input monitoring to work. I'll try the ASIO driver again and see if something changes. Thanks, Joe.
 
I finally found the Mixing latency buffer size deal and pushed it all the way to fast or 10ms with the WDM. That did it. I'll try the ASIO and see if I can get it down to 5ms. Thanks.
 
doorno2 said:
I finally found the Mixing latency buffer size deal and pushed it all the way to fast or 10ms with the WDM. That did it. I'll try the ASIO and see if I can get it down to 5ms. Thanks.
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cool!

and yeah, that monitor button only works with recording armed (as far as i know).

i sometimes reroute things to have different monitoring going through different outs.... i imagine you can do things like that with your converter.

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genob said:
that monitor button only works with recording armed (as far as i know)
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Nope! You don't need to arm the track to use Input Monitoring. :)

If you could get the latency down to under 5 (close to 2 ms), you're in luck. I find 5 ms way too much to use input monitoring, the recordings sound off-beat.
 
what are my options to monitor incoming signals if I don't use the input echo button? Joe
 
I just dialed up the ASIO driver and still got some delay when I noticed that in my Motu console the buffers per sample were defaulted at 1024, the size of my ram. I reduced it to 128 and got the latency down to 2.9ms. I don't know if I'll be able to track 12 tracks simultaneously at that rate but I guess I'll find out. If I increase the buffers to 256 then I can only get the latency down to 5.something.
 
Most professional soundcard supports direct monitoring in some form. The soundcard routes the audio input directly to the output, and feeds Sonar the input Sonar needs.

I am really surprised if your Motu doesn't support it.
 
Yeah, it does and it was pointed out in the Computer Recording Forum as I posted my probs there as well. Thanks. I was able to record 11 tracks simultaneously the other night monitoring from Cakewalk with no problem whatsoever with the buffers set to 256. any higher and the delay was unacceptable. Now I can just monitor from the Motu console cuemix with no worries or delays. I'm flying blind with no manual. Good thing you guys are out there. Thanks again. I believe I'm up and running for awhile. Joe :D
 
Motu is supposed to make decent drivers with latency-capabilities under 5 ms. Maybe a computer upgrade would solve those Input Monitoring problems.

We'll be here when you want to hear the effects on the track while you record... :D
 
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