Sonar 2 troubles.

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Hello, all.

I installed Sonar 2.0 XL just a few hours ago, and I have this trouble. I did have the same problem with Pro Audio 9.03 aswell. I am getting a delay between the keypress and the tone played. It is the same on the softsynths in sonar as on my Triton LE. Also, this delay is getting longer and longer, conuting from when I launched Sonar. When it is started, there is no delay. When it has been running for an hour, it is almost a second delay. How come?

I never had this problem with Windows 2000.

I have a P4 1.8 Ghz with 512 MB DDR Ram and an Audiophile 2496 soundcard. I formatted my drive last night, so I have no other programs in the background that would cause this.

Anyone know what to do?

Thank you in advance,
/M
 
Hmmm... my first thought was latency, but I don't think so. But you can try adjusting the MIDI playback buffer, it's under Options -> Global -> MIDI
 
the time inbetween the tone and the keypressed is called latency...for the triton LE are u connecting via midi or recording the track to sonar and playin it as an Audio? because if its midi ur using it shouldn't do that unless something is seriously wrong...make sure all ur pCI cards have the latest drivers installed...i had a similar problem before...i don't remember what i did or didn't do to fix it but i know i did reformat my drive but thats all i remember./..
 
Thank you for your replies.

I know that it is called latency, but this must be something different. Or does the latency become bigger the longer the program has been running?

It is not only in recording. If I start Sonar, and just choose a instrument and play it via MIDI (with local off on my Triton LE), it is still this delay before I hear the tones.

/M
 
There should be next to no apparent latency between Sonar and a midi synth.
As it also happens with softsynths, I'm pretty sure it is Audio latency. Are you hearing the Triton via Sonars input monitoring?
Try this...
Open the Audiophiles Delta panel and set the buffer size to 256
Open Sonar. Go to options - Audio.
Pull the latency slider full left to minimum.
Run the wave profiler.
Close and reopen Sonar.
You should now have a latency of 5.6ms.
If this works with no problems, you can try lower settings in the Delta buffer with the same procedure, but I find 5.6ms a good compromise between performance and glitch free recording.
I'm assuming you now have WinXP. In which case things should be ok. But read up at www.musicXP.com for the required tweaks if you find your recordings are interupted.
You can also find a better driver for your Audiophile at www.midiman.com
Currently this is the 29x12 beta.
 
its way deeper then that...something is not working right in the system its OS related i'm almost sure of it i had the same problem wit sonar also in win xp pro but like i said i don't remember if i did anything or not or if the reformat fixed it
 
I think he upgraded to WinXP, since he said: "I never had this problem with Windows 2000".

But Service Pack 1 for WinXP would be a great start... ;)
 
Jim Y said:
There should be next to no apparent latency between Sonar and a midi synth.
As it also happens with softsynths, I'm pretty sure it is Audio latency. Are you hearing the Triton via Sonars input monitoring?
Try this...
Open the Audiophiles Delta panel and set the buffer size to 256
Open Sonar. Go to options - Audio.
Pull the latency slider full left to minimum.
Run the wave profiler.
Close and reopen Sonar.
You should now have a latency of 5.6ms.
If this works with no problems, you can try lower settings in the Delta buffer with the same procedure, but I find 5.6ms a good compromise between performance and glitch free recording.
I'm assuming you now have WinXP. In which case things should be ok. But read up at www.musicXP.com for the required tweaks if you find your recordings are interupted.
You can also find a better driver for your Audiophile at www.midiman.com
Currently this is the 29x12 beta.
Click to expand...

Thank you. My latency now is 5.8ms in Sonar 2.0 XL, and the response to Sonars softsynths is pretty okay. I have not still tested what happens with the latency when sonar has been running for some time, but I will do that later. Thank you a lot, it really helped!

/M
 
Warning: very offtopic!

*in Muppet Animal's voice*

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Just kiddin' :D

Nice to see women around here... :) (well, I'm only assuming Monique here)

Welcome to the board, Monique!
 
Help, what is this?

So, I removed Windows XP, and installed Windows 2000. I have 5.8 ms latency, and my setup is this:

P4 1.8 Ghz, 512 MB DDR Ram
Audiophile 2496
Cakewalk Sonar 2.0 XL

and I have a Korg Triton LE connected via MIDI.

But, the longer Sonar (and Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03 before that) has been running, the greater is the latency.

Sure, I can restart the program every 30 minutes, it only takes a few seconds to do that. But still, why is this? After a few hours I have a latency at one or two seconds!!

Also, my Triton LE seems to send MIDI-data all the time, as the IN activity meter in system tray is red all the time. How come?

/M
 
I've seen numerous posts about this in the SONAR & HS2002 newsgroups but I can't seem to find them...

Sorry. If I can remember what the solution was, I'll let you know...
 
I didn't realise the delay was escalating.
You do have Local set to OFF in the Triton? - It's usually in a synths Global midi settings. I have seen Sonar crippled by midi feedback - seemed fine but gradually slower response until it crashes. If the Triton is your only midi synth/keyboard, you should turn its Local to off (seperating the Keyboard & controllers from its synth). The Triton Midi out feeds the PC midi in and when Sonar is loaded it will automatically echo your keyboard playing back from the pc midi out to the Tritons midi in (if the Triton is the selected output of your midi track). Do not connect the Triton Midi Thru to the pc midi in!!! The point of this is that it allows midi plug in effects and key transpositions carried out in Sonar to control the Tritons Synthesiser.
There is also the possibilty of midi tracks gradually falling behind Audio tracks. Have a look at the Sonar readme. There is a "hidden" option to make Sonar time-stamp midi data according to its own clock rather than the midi interface. Apparently some cards midi ports don't use the same timing clock as the audio leading to loss of sync between the two.
 
what are u using as a midi interface for your triton? i think thats the culprit
 
Jim Y:
Yeah, the latency is escalating.

I do have my Triton set to Local OFF when using Sonar. The only time it is set to ON is when I am going to record a sonud from the Triton that is using arpreggiator. Which is very rarely.

I will try to find this "hidden" option. Thank you for your reply.



Teacher:
I am using the MIDI port on my Audiophile 2496. I did use a Sound Blaster Live! before this, and it was having the exact same problem.

What does "culprit" mean?

/M
 
culprit means problem

u may have to play with the settings of your midi interface
 
There's not much to play with regarding an Audiophiles midi interface.
I am suspicious of the midi in indicator flashing when nothing should be playing in. Just for the hell of it Monique, test your system just using soft synths with only the Korgs midi out connected to the pc.
 
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