Sonar 2.0 XL screen freezes after WDM driver upgrade.

[SPINSTERWUN]

I need your help, guys........

PIII 833mhz
256 ram
133 bus
7,200 rpm HD
Delta 66
Tascam PCI822
SB 64 or 16 (?)

Last night, I upgraded my SoundBlaster and Tascam drivers to WDM.

So, ..........................................

Sonar is now working super fast (low latency) and I'm not having any dropouts .

Unfortunately, I now have three new problems.

1) If I try to assign my midi ports, Sonar freezes.

2) Once I hit play the cursor freezes, BUT...... the audio continues to play.

3) Once I hit play the playback meters freeze, BUT...... the audio continues to play.

I have been up ALL night trying to eradicate these problems, but to no avail, I have been consistently stumped.

Thank you, in advance, my good friends. I am sure that you will be able to help me arrive at a {well needed } solution.

Peace....

spin

 

[James Argo]

Freezes !!! You're under a rest...

Spin, just curious, why would you put so many sound card in one machine ...

I'm not sure, but I think there must be a problem with WDM, in older card on ISA slot ( ...was that...
my eyes could be wrong... SB 16 ) No kiddin', I'm a big Creative's card. Most of the problem is you need to have right driver for the right machine... and WDM for SB16 is something I couldn't imagine . I could be wrong, so sorry if so...

PS. Spin, have you run Wave Profiler after you install the new driver ? And SONAR needs to be restarted after so.


Jaymz

 

[SPINSTERWUN]

Re: Freezes !!! You're under a rest...

1) Spin, just curious, why would you put so many sound card in one machine ...

2)...... but I think there must be a problem with WDM, in older card on ISA slot

3).....( ...was that...my eyes could be wrong... SB 16 ) No kiddin', I'm a big Creative's card.

4) Most of the problem is you need to have right driver for the right machine... and WDM for SB16 is something I couldn't imagine . I could be wrong, so sorry if so...

5) PS. Spin, have you run Wave Profiler after you install the new driver ? And SONAR needs to be restarted after so.



1a. Well I use the 8 channel Tascam card is connected my 8 OUT MPC 4000
1b. I use Delta 66 for my turntables and/or anything else I might need to connect to the comp.
1c. I will use the SB for soundfonts.

2. I don't have any cards on my ISA slot.

3. This is my back up comp, so..........
Plus, I want the SB for soundfonts.

4. They do indeed have WDM for SB's, but I won't be using the SB in that capacity.

5. I have done both of those things.
Jaymz

If we can't find a solution then I will be forced to use Acid 4.0 and Vegas 4.0.

Peace...

spin

 

[James Argo]

Err, SB16 don't play soundfonts, and they are ISA. You must mean SB PCI 64 .

Last night, I upgraded my SoundBlaster and Tascam drivers to WDM.

What if you "downgrade" (in WinXP, roll back the driver) of one of them. I think it's hard to tell which causing problem here. If infact the SB driver is the cause, then since you only use it for Soundfonts, then I believe you don't have to upgrade it.

Then what if the Tascam has caused it, Jaymz ?

...hmmmm then you need to huge & kiss your wife/girlfriend...


Jaymz

 

[BluesMeister]

Spinster,

Did you check the box in SONAR Use WDM Drivers even though MME is available? Yes, of course you did.

From your desription, it would appear that you're having video problems. How much video RAM do you have? What flavour of videocard?

Have you checked for shared IRQs with your audiocards?

Mate, I'm clutching at straws here! Just don't reach for the Acid 4.0 and Vegas 4.0 just yet. Stay calm. Take deep breaths...

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BluesMeister

 

[guitar ed]

I agree with Blues...................you need to make sure you have the latest drivers installed for your video card. You don't say what OS you're running. Is it XP? If so, there's several tweaks you can do to improve performance, and one of the main ones is to kill all the cute, artsy-fartsy video stuff that comes with Windows. Do you know what video card you have in there? Also, find out for sure what SoundBlaster card you have in there. If it's a model that doesn't support soundfonts, you could eliminate it from the equation. Give us that and the operating system, and I think we can work thru this.

ed

 

[James Argo]

Have you checked for shared IRQs with your audiocards?

Since we're in this good topic, Your highness, do you have any valuable info about manually changing shared IRQ in Windows XP ? I've lurked around the net to tweak this, but haven't got it clear. As usual, Your highness, your valuable infos would be appreciated so much.


Jaymz

 

[SPINSTERWUN]

BluesMeister

1. Err, SB16 don't play soundfonts, and they are ISA. You must mean SB PCI 64

2. What if you "downgrade" (in WinXP, roll back the driver) of one of them. I think it's hard to tell which causing problem here.

3, If infact the SB driver is the cause, then since you only use it for Soundfonts, then I believe you don't have to upgrade it.


4. hmmmm then you need to huge & kiss your wife/girlfriend...

1. Yes, it's a 64.

2. I'm running 98SE.

3. Yes, you are correct. Or....... I could remove the SB altogether.

4. Nope, my wife is truly getting on my NERVES, ar the moment..

guitar ed

5. I agree with Blues...................you need to make sure you have the latest drivers installed for your video card.

6. You don't say what OS you're running.

7. Do you know what video card you have in there?

8. Also, find out for sure what SoundBlaster card you have in there.

5. I am doing that now. And I will make sure that they are installed before my next post.

6. 98 SE.

7. Raedeon 9000 dual monitor.

8. SB 64.

Please excuse my short answers and lack of smiley faces, I seem to be somewhat AND a wee bit inebriated.

nips

Thank you for your help. i will post you all back, once I awaken.

 

[BluesMeister]

Do you have any valuable info about manually changing shared IRQ in Windows XP?

Sorry Jaymz, my OS is 98SE (like Spinster's). I haven't a clue how to do this in XP but it isn't too difficult in 98SE:

My Computer>Control Panel>System>Device Manager
Click on the + next to Sound Video & Game Controllers
Right Click on your audio card's name
Select Properties
Click on the Resources tab.
If there are conflicts you can uncheck Auto Settings. You should then be able to manually set the IRQ.

Here at work, our resident XP XPert is on leave until the week after next, so I can't offer any assistance regarding ExPee.

However, I would urge you to whiz over to www.annoyances.org where you'll find all sorts of valuable information regarding the many flavours of Windows and how to get around their many irritations.

You could also perform a search in Google for changing+IRQ+XP.


Good luck Jaymz.

Oh and Spinster, you wrongly credited me in your latest reply. Those points 1-4 were made by His Imperial Majesty, The Most Helpful Ambassador, Jaymz Of The Planet Argo not by BluesMeister

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BluesMeister

 

[BluesMeister]

By sheer coincidence, I just spotted this over at Sound On Sound. The topic is How Do I Change IRQs.

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BluesMeister

 

[SPINSTERWUN]

........Oh and Spinster, you wrongly credited me in your latest reply. Those points 1-4 were made by His Imperial Majesty, The Most Helpful Ambassador, Jaymz Of The Planet Argo not by BluesMeister

Sorry about that.


I'm on my way over to S.O.S.

spin

 

[jdier]

I am 90% sure that you have to diable ACPI in the bios to get to a point where you can manually assign IRQ's in XP.

You should do a lot of research before doing this though because it can mess with a lot of other things.

My suggestion is to remove as many PCI cards as possible and then put them back in one by one check IRQ's as you go. If you are lucky you should be able to come up with a way to have fewer shared IRQ's.

Basically this IRQ suggestion and discussion is really about trying to have video and audio (two resource hogs in a daw) not competing for your system resources.

I would also try to disable the level meters in sonar where possible. They are a bit of a drain.

I might also suggest that you prioritize graphics down by lowering the amount of hardware acceleration that is being used.

Hope this helps. ... What the heck do I know, I still crash every 20 minutes?!?

 

[SPINSTERWUN]

1. I am 90% sure that you have to diable ACPI in the bios to get to a point where you can manually assign IRQ's in XP.

2. You should do a lot of research before doing this though because it can mess with a lot of other things.

3. My suggestion is to remove as many PCI cards as possible and then put them back in one by one check IRQ's as you go. If you are lucky you should be able to come up with a way to have fewer shared IRQ's.

4. Basically this IRQ suggestion and discussion is really about trying to have video and audio (two resource hogs in a daw) not competing for your system resources.

5. I would also try to disable the level meters in sonar where possible. They are a bit of a drain.

6. I might also suggest that you prioritize graphics down by lowering the amount of hardware acceleration that is being used.

7. Hope this helps. ...

8. What the heck do I know, I still crash every 20 minutes?!?

1. I have 98SE
2. Yes. I know. I think I won't be fooling around with that.
3. In what order?
4. You are correct
5. I already have them disabled.
6. I have Graphics Acceleration at the lowest setting.
7. Thank you, very much.
8.

Peace...

spin

 

[James Argo]

How's everything going so far, Spin ?

 

[jdier]

I would reinstall in the order of importance. Graphics, so I could see then my Q10's and once they were not sharing, I could not install anything else without sharing, so I am without a nic. Tough crap for me.

Even with graphics low, my thought would be, disable the meters just to see if it solves the problem...


It is all about isolating the problem then solving it.

Keep us up to date and good luck.

Jim