So I learned a lot this weekend. . .but

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Here is the setup

GT66
to a brick
to a Delta 1010

My question
The brick has a gain of like 25 db right off the bat (for mic)
WAY TO HOT!!!
even with the -10db pad (on mic) and the gain on the interface all the way down, I'm still getting way to hot of a signal. . .I take the brick out of the chain and it sounds terrific. . .I want to use the brick, I want it to sound good. Dammit i want to justify the $400 I spent. . .You've been there, what do I do?
 
hmm, how are you hooking the mic directly to the 1010 w/out using the brick? Did you adjust the dipswitch on the 1010 to -10db? The software volume adjustment on the 1010 (you do have the rackmount Delta 1010 and not the 1010lt correct?) is for monitoring.
 
No, I've got the LT. . .that's the thing, I 've got it going right to the delta and I like the sound. . .I just want to give the brick a good solid test and havn't been able to since the gain on the bricks mic pre is automaticlly on +25db. The brick, i'm thinkin, is more specificly designed for dynamics, but I should be able to bring all that gain down somewhere? right? in the delta. . .??????
 
zradioman said:
No, I've got the LT. . .that's the thing, I 've got it going right to the delta and I like the sound. . .I just want to give the brick a good solid test and havn't been able to since the gain on the bricks mic pre is automaticlly on +25db. The brick, i'm thinkin, is more specificly designed for dynamics, but I should be able to bring all that gain down somewhere? right? in the delta. . .??????
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The Delta 1010LT has 2 XLR inputs that have a micpreamp! The card has 2 jumpers that you can set the gain of the 2 preamps with. I bet they are still on the pre-set or so and thus add alot of gain! If you set it to line level in stead of mic (using the manual) you should be ok.

Hope this helps...
 
If you are going into a 1010lt, and your are using inputs 1 or 2, make sure you have that input configured on the card itself for line in. There are jumpers on the card itself to change the first two inputs from line to mic in. I assume you have yours set to mic which is giving you all that gain.

EDIT: Stuif beat me to it.....
 
I don't know if anyone has mention, but the brick is a tube preamp and gt66 is a tube mic. Most of the times this is not a great setup. Now the brick is a great preamp and gt66 is great mic, but IMHO it is not a great combination. A dynamic mic, ribbon, or a solid state mic like the gt55 would be a better combo. This sound from both tubes may have something to do with the problem you are having.
 
countrylac said:
I don't know if anyone has mention, but the brick is a tube preamp and gt66 is a tube mic. Most of the times this is not a great setup. Now the brick is a great preamp and gt66 is great mic, but IMHO it is not a great combination. A dynamic mic, ribbon, or a solid state mic like the gt55 would be a better combo. This sound from both tubes may have something to do with the problem you are having.
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The problem is because he's using two preamps, the brick, and then the built in 1010 ones. Any mic, solid state or tube, dynamic or condenser, into any preamp, solid state or tube, will have WAY too hot of an output to plug into yet another input. He has to bypass the second preamp and go into the 1010's LINE input. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with having two tubes in the signal path.
 
I know that he is using two preamps. I still think once he uses the line ins on the delta he may still get some excess noise from the two tubes in the chain. Well maybe I'm the only person who has ever had a problem with using a tube mic with a real tube preamp. I was trying to give him another pointer because I thought that he had corrected the problem with using the two preamps.
 
People fixate on the idea of tubes. The difference between tube anything and an equivalent solid-state item are fairly subtle, especially when you're talking about microphone preamps. The difference between a tube mic plugged into a nice solid-state pre and a tube mic plugged into a nice tube pre will never be dramatic enough for someone to say "Wow, that's black and white! That solved the problem with my track!"
 
I know where the guy's coming from. I tend to think that it's a bad idea to use a mic with capacitors along with a mic pre that also has capacitors.

It imparts too much of that capacitor sound.

I also never wear socks that are the same color as my underwear, but that's probably just me being superstitious.

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chessrock said:
I know where the guy's coming from. I tend to think that it's a bad idea to use a mic with capacitors along with a mic pre that also has capacitors.

It imparts too much of that capacitor sound.
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I know what you mean. I hate to use a mic, pre or amp in series that have point to point wiring - it imparts too much of that wire sound.
 
Actually, with point-to-point wiring, the sound you're hearing is the point, not the wire.

:D
 
cominginsecond said:
Actually, with point-to-point wiring, the sound you're hearing is the point, not the wire.
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Is it possible to just replace these "points" with tubes?

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So a UM900 into a Fearn VT-1 is a bad idea, eh? And here I thought the Tube mic/Tube pre combo was pretty stellar....Oh well, what do I know. Anybody wanna buy a Gefell/Fearn Combo really cheap? :D
 
Some people decide to hate on the comments that I made. Some coward went as far as to leave a negative rep point. Zradioman maybe after you get your input right on your delta LT and do some comparision of recording the gt66 through the brick and without the brick and maybe let me know which one sounds better. I know a mistake I used to make was running tubes mic through preamps and always thinking I would get a better sound, but sometimes all I got was some extra fuzz (I guess this how I would describe it).
 
countrylac said:
Some people decide to hate on the comments that I made. Some coward went as far as to leave a negative rep point. Zradioman maybe after you get your input right on your delta LT and do some comparision of recording the gt66 through the brick and without the brick and maybe let me know which one sounds better. I know a mistake I used to make was running tubes mic through preamps and always thinking I would get a better sound, but sometimes all I got was some extra fuzz (I guess this how I would describe it).
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yes, the ladies tend to give up more fuzz when you're using all tube gear.
 
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