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Hi guys,
My first time here in a long time.
I have finally gotten up the nerve and resources to build my own stand alone studio / practice room on my property.
I am thinking it will be around 1200 sq/ft or so.

I would love some input on lay out ideas.
My Father is a homebuilder and has drafting and design, but has never done a studio.

Some things I want incorporated into the plans are this:

a) a mixing / control room big enough for me and a few people listening at mix down.

b) rooms for a small restroom and a/c closet that is isolated from the main room good enough to keep the noise out.Possibly by adding a small break room between the a/c-restrooms as a buffer, plus giving me a place to have nonessential people sit between takes.

c) A iso room big enough for a drum kit (need at least space for 7 ft dia footprint) and perhaps room for percussion or?

d) possibly a vocal booth.

e) the balance in as big a single room as possible for our band to use as a rehearsal space with a reasonable amout of storage space for cases, mic stands, and the inevitable crap that accumulates including my extra drum kits and guitars, etc.

Any help would be appreciated. It has been a while since I have thought in these terms. I have read several articles on proper height to room dimensions for control rooms. I have complete lisence as to dimensions. I have enev the ability to go higher than the typical 8 foot ceiling, but probably have to limit it to about 10 to 12 feet.

Thanks for any help you may offer.

Tom
 
Hello Tom, and welcome to the bbs. So you want to build a standalone studio huh? Ok, first thing I would do is do a search here for all the posts by Michael Jones. He built a standalone studio in Texas last year. He shows the plan, and tells a lot of the Building Inspection Department criteria. Then shows tons of pictures and descriptions of his progress. He is not finished yet.

Then go to these sites for Studio related information.

http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/index.html
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/index.php?sid=a738de4da2c4580ee7f7a1e26ae44e72
http://forum.studiotips.com/index.php
http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/p...2f2886d&Cat=&Board=DESIGN&page=&view=&sb=5&o=
http://www.realtraps.com/art_studio.htm

This should give you enough to do for a year or two :D If you can't find what your looking for within the context of studio design at those sites, or answers, come on back and we'll try to help you with direct questions.

Let me give you a quick overview though. Homestudios are quite different then full blown commercial studios in the context of budgets. Although similar in criteria, the difference is usually found in the extent of isolation and perks. Without knowing you set of existing location conditions such as environmental noise, neighbors, type of music, and your own budget, it would be difficult to give precise advice at this point in the game. However, my best advice is to study a couple of threads to see the end extremes of homestudio building. This will give you a clue to the REAL DEAL vs psuedo design in the context of isolation/acoustics. Here is the most extreme example I know of in terms of isolation for a control room design and BUILD. This thread is NINTY PAGES long :eek: :eek:
http://forum.studiotips.com/viewtopic.php?t=107&start=1900

There is a lot of "net fact" out there, and a lot of "expert" advice that contradicts each other. If you do enough study, you will begin to see the truth come through. One area of this "net fact" criteria is floating floors and rooms, as they are the main "studio isolation vouge feature", which seems to be a "gotta have" of most peoples list of studio design features. Study well. Mucho dollars can be spent on this area of construction, when in reality you MAY not need it. Do NOT assume anything.
In this regard, it would behoove me to point you to these threads.....
http://forum.studiotips.com/viewtopic.php?t=1734
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2921
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3876

IF you read EVERYTHING in these threads, you will notice two things. One, these same people frequent ALL the sites regarding the subjects at hand, as they have one goal in common. SOUND TRANSMISSION LOSS. You will become very familiar with this term. Two, "floating rooms". You will also become very familiar with the inherent problems and solutions that are STILL being worked out on these forums. Remember, this is oriented around DO IT YOURSELF(DIY).

There are a few books to check out also. One is Alton Everests Master Handbook of Acoustics and another by him regarding Small Studio Design, another is Phillip Newels Studio Design book. And there are others mentioned on the linked sites. In fact there are quite a few.

Next is construction information and contractors. Since your Dad is a draftsman I have a suggestion. First off, I am too. I post drawings here all the time. If he uses a CAD program such as Autocad, ask me and I will send you some preliminary CAD files for manipulation within your files, that will save you TONS of time, AND they are already set up for posting on the web or forum site to allow quick illustration of your intent. Next, as to contractors.........BEWARE!! Normally, contractors do NOT have a clue to studio type construction techniques nor materials. Intuition into sound transmission loss and acoustics does NOT work. In fact, these subjects will baffle your intuition. The REAL deal is TESTED ASSEMBIES. Do NOT listen to a contractor. This is why I asked about your DADS drafting. By the time you are ready to submit drawings to BID(Building Inspection Department) you should have EVERY DETAIL drawn in advance for not only BID approval, but so contractors can NOT make arbitrary decisions in regards to how things are done. You will see. Of course this is if you plan on using contractors, which for some things you may have too. And this brings up another thing. Since you are building from the ground up, you WILL have to deal with BID, as you will need permits. This is where things get tricky. Right from the getgo, I would check with your local BID for information regarding limits such as egrees, setbacks, easments, and other important preliminary info. Remember, studio construction is quite different than ordinary residential construction, and will place concepts at the inspector/appoval authorities doorstep that they are NOT familiar with, which will make your job that much harder to get a permit. That is why you should either become familiar with local codes, and or
hire a person such as a local architect to INTERPRET your designs for submission, and oversee the construction. It could save you a ton of time and money. For example. Floating room/floors are MASSIVE. And they are free to vibrate. That means for some people, SIESMIC(earthquake) restrictions in some locations. Your location may not have these, but MAY have others such as soil condition which limit types of footings/slabs etc.

It also means some other things regarding MASS. Mass is what translates into isolation. And usually, for studio design, this mass is applied to whats known as a MASS AIR MASS TWO LEAF SYSTEM. Which means this. The exterior shell of the building is the exterior LEAF. It is a frame shiethed with the exterior mass. Plan on this from the getgo. Either concrete block, or stucco, or multiple layer OSB shiething with one or TWO layers of water resistant drywall or other heavy material applied BEFORE the OSB. Then the roof. The ROOF is the outer LEAF of the two leaf system. It must be HEAVY. That means either concrete tile, or multiple layers of OSB with TWO layers of SEALED roll out comp, with a finsih layer of COMP shingle. Whatever, think SEALED MEMBRANE. This all translates into weight, which also translates into STRUCTURAL INTEGRETY. Think ENGINEERED TRUSSES. This exterior shell is where most people have to make compromises for thier isolation. If designed properly from the getgo, the INTERIOR LEAF will not have to compensate...ie..six or seven layers of drywall.. :eek: :eek:(ie see Paul Woodlocks studio diary) Within this "exterior leaf" concept is the floor. Hence my links to this subject. Study hard. It will be the most important issue decision you will make in regards to isolation.

Lastly, acoustics. This subject is an Alice in Wonderland story. Enter the Rabbit hole at your own risk. You could spend a lifetime before making decisions. Being informed is one thing. Trying to outthink the experts is another. That is why I linked you to an acoustics site. The FAQ's section will outline the goals already. You do NOT have to re'invent the wheel.

Well, I hope this helps with your direction. Good luck on your journey.
fitZ :)
 
Thanks

RICK,
Thanks for all your input.
Several years ago I started down this road only to have a big piece of life hit me in the face and priorities changed.

I have thought on the my needs for a long time, and have read a lot of articles from John's sites and I remember some of the articles Michael posted about the horrors he faced attempting a commercial facility. ugh!

I am going to build this place with some compromises. I live in a rural neighborhood on 1/2 acre lots. The closest neighbor is about 100 feet away from where I plan to build (within the noted easements). I am not planning on this place to be perfect, because I can't afford perfection. I am not going to rep myself as a full time commecial facility. For the past 5 years I have made about $5000 a year in the studio doing albums and demos in my existing 12 X 24 converted garage studio. I simply need more space to stretch out. My main object is to have minimal transmission from outside to inside, and from drum room to main room and a quiet place to edit / mix. I dont plan to float floors, but will do the double walls and 2 leaf 1 side set up. Having good sounding rooms that can track single to small sections of a band is all I am interested in.

I have gotten by for 10 years without perfection, although it would be nice, the main thing I want is more space that is airconditoned, and enough isolation to make some quiet acoustic oriented recordings which is 90 percent of what I do (Jazz / Celtic / Country / Bluegrass.)

Thanks for all the info, I will be plowing into it shortly.

Tom
 
I dont plan to float floors, but will do the double walls and 2 leaf 1 side set up. Having good sounding rooms that can track single to small sections of a band is all I am interested in.
Cool. In that case, with double walls, I would STILL decouple the slab-interior leaf by pouring the exterior foundation footing SEPERATE from the interior slab/perimeter footing(for interior perimeter walls thereby decoupling it. Also figure for your interior live room/ booths/ control room slabs also being seperate. Makes it simple compared to floating rooms. Although, the slabs may have to be "keyed" via isolated pins or some other type of device to keep vertical deformation of different slabs from occuring. However, depending on the proposed interior leaf construction BETWEEN ROOMS, this weight will have to be taken into consideration at the perimeter of each slab as per footing/foundation also as it carrys the wieght of the walls and the cieling if you do not suspend the ceiling. If you do, then the ROOF STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS have to carry the ceiling loads as well.
fitZ
 
Rick,
Again Thanks! I am deep into the reading you offered. I know I am going to run into issues with my dad as to what HE thinks should work and what acually is best. I guess that is price I pay for free help.
The floating perimeter sounds good. I think I am going with trusses so that I have a complete free span building to fit my other free standing rooms inside. That is one reason I was thinking of going 10 foot high on my perimeter so I could still have complete free standing isolated 8 foot tall rooms with their accompanied ceilings within the structure but not tied to the exterior structure in any way.

What I hope to do is find a layout/design of a good smallish mixing room (say 13 ft by 18 or so) and then size the rest of the space around it. I am beginning to lean on making the mixing room the most "designed feature" because I hate mixng and editing in my poorly sized room. So many falacies to deal with when mixing... I have had to really learn my room and make all the mental adaptations to it.

Thanks again!

Tom
 
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