Sequencer outputs/RM1X

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Tried this in the Other Equipment and Reviews Forum. No replies so I'm trying it here.

Can anyone explain the benefits of having multiple outputs on a hardware sequencer rather than a stereo pair?

Also is there any reason not to buy a Yamaha RM1X?
 
i own a rm1x and feel quiet happy with it for live gigs. But if i have a few wishes on my yamaha, then i want to have 2 additional outs. The reason: Most allinone boxes have a limited effects section compared to pro effects. So i'd like to use the main outs for say bassdrum, bass and lead sound and run the additional outs with strings, pads, toms, hihat,... to a fine reverb/compressor that makes a real good room feeling and fat beats.

I'm in the lucky position to own a Kurzweil K2000r, Juno106 an S3000,... so i use the rm1x only for sequencing.
Also is there any reason not to buy a Yamaha RM1X?
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Do you have a computer and an external synth or keyboad? Then go for a sw-sequencer first. If you have nothing, then it will be a good investment to buy the rm1x. If you have more money to spend, then look at the rs7000 first. This is basically a rm1x with additional sampler abilities.

Btw: the phone-outs are crap. Connect the main outs to a mixer to make your music.
 
Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me why would you recommend a sw sequencer over the rm1x? And by sequencer do you mean something like Cubase? I've got Fruity Loops and quite like that. Do you know if Fruity Loops would be an adequate substitute for an rm1x? I've more or less decided that I would like to go the hardware route as I prefer slides, buttons and knobs to using a mouse. But if Fruity Loops will do more or less what the rm1x will do I may as well save my money.
 
I work with Logic Audio 4.7 because there are more possibilities to visualize the arrangement on 2 19" monitors than on a small display.

Fruity loops is a small beat box, and cannot be compared with a real sequencer like logic, rm1x or the Akai mpc's. With fruity loops you mainly control one single instrument - the drum. With a real sequencer, you arrange the whole track. But this additional dimmension have to be controled by you, thus means a real sequencer is much more powerfull but also more complex and harder to handle. This has its impact on the whole handling by using a 'second layer' in the way you thinking.
You can treat fruityloops as an instrument for programming drums, but a sequencer USES INSTRUMENTS to perform something. This means, the instrument is one thing, how to use it (which note to play, how to route,...) is another thing.
For Example: To do the same thing like fruity, you have to use a sampler which have to be filled with all the drum samples you need (this can also be a software sampler). Then you have to go to the sequencer and play the note that is assigned to the drum sample you like. Therefor this is more work to get the same result, BUT: If you are able to use your drums WAY DIFFERENT as they appear originally by ie playing them at different tone hights, the result is much better.
I'm usually not using fixed GM drums, cause they mostly don't fit the song. In the real world, you have to tune your drum, and so this is with drum samples.
Each tom, ride, ... has a tone that should fit to the gamut you use, and i think there is no way to do this in fruity loops.
 
Atwork said:
Tried this in the Other Equipment and Reviews Forum. No replies so I'm trying it here.

Can anyone explain the benefits of having multiple outputs on a hardware sequencer rather than a stereo pair?

Also is there any reason not to buy a Yamaha RM1X?
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It's because of the way todays mixers and patchbays are build up..
Fruity loops is a toy more than a production studio..
A real sequencer can provide you with endless amount of composition..
I'd take the rs7000 over the RM1X cause the rom sounds rules and the sampler is really neat..
 
hi chriss!
I'm usually not using fixed GM drums, cause they mostly don't fit the song. In the real world, you have to tune your drum, and so this is with drum samples.
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You're also into hiphop, so how do you handle drums with the rs7000.
1.) Do u use the ROM drums or do u create your own drum sets for each song?
2.) Are you starting with the drum parts (and in which order (bass, hihat, snare&tom) or hooking on a lead line/lead sample?
thx, Mark
 
when connecting the sequencer to a synth do the outs to the mixer go from the sequencer or the synth?
 
ok, to start from the beginning:
There is more than one kind of connection in the musicians world :o

.) analog audio cables, either mono or stereo, balanded or unbalanced...
.) midi cables: (midi stands for Music Integration Digital Interface) for sending digital control information. This interface was designed back in '82 for connecting one masterkeyboard (or any other 'automation device') to a sound generator (analog synths in these times). (The first unit i personally know was the old sequential Model 800 which operates with gate voltages rather than with digital signals - but functionally it is the same) Every time you hit a key on your keyboard of twiddle a nibble a midi message will be generated.
.) S/PDIF is for transfering digital audio signals of two mono chanels up to 24bit/48kHz
.) firewire is for transfering all kind of digital data, including audio and control data

As you can see, the rm1x has more than 1 output: 1 stereo for analog out and 1 midi-trio (in, out, thru) for midi, because this is a sequencer with an internal ROM-synth.
You have to connect the midi out from your sequencer (rm1x or computer) to the midi-in of your synth, and the analog out of both - rm1x and synth - to the in's (2 stereo or 4 mono) of your mixer.

hope this will help ya
Mark
 
lol.. wonder what would happen if you somehow sent your midi signal through your mixer.. eq'ed it and took the output into your synth :D
 
Thus reminds me of a dear friend of mine who goofed me in the early 90's by telling me to show me a new version of the 5th on my new cd player.
He inserted the cd, jumped to track 5, raised the volume to top level and hit play. In these ancient times computer cdroms are not quiet common, and so i bang down of my chair as i heard the veryveryunfuckinvery loud scaaaschquitschtweed-noise out of my monitors...

Since this moment, i always get this inexplicable smile if someone talks about Beethoven...:D
 
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