Selling Beats???

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Now, I'm not completely ignorant to this topic, but I just don't know where to start. Where I'm from, a lot of people don't want to pay the prices that I want them to pay for nice beats. I'll play a beat for someone and they be like, "Yo, that's nice as hell. I wanna buy that!" Then I tell them the price and they be like, "Naw man! That's too much!" Cheap Fucks!!! $100 and up is too much??!!! I use the Triton and the Akai MPC2000xl. I spent MONEY on those shits. Is that a harsh price or am I in the wrong zip code? And what I also want to know is how do I really get my name out there? How do I promote myself as a producer? Do I need business cards? How do I make my own web site? Should I sell my beats on MP3.com?

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

2 fingaz
 
..:.:MeCCaH:.:. said:
Now, I'm not completely ignorant to this topic, but I just don't know where to start. Where I'm from, a lot of people don't want to pay the prices that I want them to pay for nice beats. I'll play a beat for someone and they be like, "Yo, that's nice as hell. I wanna buy that!" Then I tell them the price and they be like, "Naw man! That's too much!" Cheap Fucks!!! $100 and up is too much??!!! I use the Triton and the Akai MPC2000xl. I spent MONEY on those shits. Is that a harsh price or am I in the wrong zip code? And what I also want to know is how do I really get my name out there? How do I promote myself as a producer? Do I need business cards? How do I make my own web site? Should I sell my beats on MP3.com?

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

2 fingaz

your in the wrong zip code, get out here to Atlanta and you should get a min of $400 for a track. if the track is just blazin that's its so hot, i know people that would put some real money down on a beat...talkin bout $8000 and up.

i sold a few simple beats i made with a mpc and a yamaha psr keyboard, $120 here $225 there. you gotta be a business man when it comes to these beats. but with you having a mpc2000xl and a triton, get your money back and don't sell a track under $200. if you don't t think a track is worth $200, hustle some of these cats, go like $150, if they really want the track they'll get you the money....

i'm in the process of getting my site up. but i have some business card. i have flyers the hole 9, i have my cousin handing them out to people at his school that call them self's rappers. me and some of my partners get up in the clubs and i also have contacts all over the industry. i wouldn't really put any tracks on mp3.com unless they are copyrighted... i have a friend that had his track copyrighted and about 2 weeks after he posted it on mp3.com some other cat had just jacked his hole 2nd verse... so they are going through their legal shit right now. but if you do put a beats out there, make it a stream, don't allow people to download it. though if they want the track enough, they can record your stream also...

lets hear a quick 10sec sample of one of your best tracks, i can tell you if it should sell more than $100 or not. but seeing the equipment you use.. it should sell for over $100.
 
o to tell the truth i sold a track i made with reason and fruity loops for $215 so you should be able to get some $$$ for your tracks. i guess it all depends on your style, most of my beats any body can rap on, they arn't just south tracks, na'mean
 
good info. So do you think I should just start off handin' out business cards and just networkin'? How about networkin' over the net, does that work?

My beats is very nice and I'm not just sayin' that out of confidence. People heard my beats and said shit like, "Yo, you the next Pete Rock!" "You the next Timbo!" That's gotta count 4 somethin'. It's just that ni99az here is either cheap as hell or broke as hell. Almost everybody here use the Boss DR-5 and think they make some raw ass beats with it. I've heard cats make beats on there that was just HORRIBLE! Maybe it is a good idea for me to move to Florida or somewhere else. I just don't know anybody that live down there nor am I old enough to travel like that. I'm only 17. Maybe I can go to Full Sail down there for recording engineering. Don't know. But yo, thanks 4 the imput.

2 fingaz
 
beats

I acutally sold a beat last night over the net to a guy who has worked with producers such as The Neptunes and Timbaland. I sold that beat for 600, usin just a casio wk1600 keyboard and cakwalk pro audio. And Atlanta is a very good place to sell, he was right. I sell my beats in my hometown, which happens to be Atlanta.
 
i started giving out by giving out some cheap ass business cards and and doing 4 track demos for people in denver when i was like 13. i'm only 17 also, but i get in the clubs because i know all the cats up there. seeing that's your 17 your probably still in high school, and most teenage cats don't wanta drop any cash for a track.
and out here in atlanta there are so many cats that think they are rappers or producers/beatmakers and they be dropin tracks for $50, i'm not about to do that. i'll make a cheap ass track with fruity loops..lol and sell it for at least $100.

right now i'm working a nice instrumental cd, i have about 20 tracks on it right now. through my cousin i can get these beats to mainstream people, na'mean. but i have a cat willing to put $1000 on a track right now that is simple at hell, but the right flow on it has platinum all over it...my cousin told me to hold off b/c he can get much more than $1000 for that track.

get into your city some and find some people that want to rap or buy some tracks and work out a deal, but you spent to money on that triton and mpc to only make $40-50 for a track...

o and f**k full sail. on the real students be callin me tryin to get my to go there, these cats are stupid on the real, i'm not spending $30g's for a school that doesn't teach much. my boy lonnie is down there, i'ma hit him up and see if they are really doing something...look at SAE... that's were i plan on going this fall, either the one in miami or new york...o and its only 13,800

www.sae.edu
 
Yo Me,


I think these cats handled the first part of your ? so I'm gonna give you some info on the second half...........


How do I promote myself as a producer?

Good question, can you make beats, can you track, can you mix down, what is your education on female vocalists? I ask this question because you sound like hip hop is your genre and if you wanna make it in that genre you best have an off the hook chorus wit a vocalist or you could sample, Have you ever sampled? What do you know about music licensing and obtaining licenses to sample?

Do I need business cards?

Your not in business until you have business cards


How do I make my own website?

Do you need one, last time I knew p. Diddy, trackmasters, Dre, The neptunes, and timbaland were making there own stuff and not crusin the net looking for it. However, its not out of the question bro certainly having a global connection to promote your beats is a plus but in order to promote effectively it is gonna cost ya...............


Should I sell my beats on mp3?

You could!!!!!!!!!


Now let me break it down with some math..............


I make a blazin beat, and I'm like Dave and sell it for $600 to a guy who works with other producers. 1st I have just sold all rights of ownership of that beat. Now this guy turns it over to timbaland or the neptunes who track it wit a mainstream artist. The beat is hot so it is released as a single off the artists record, Lot of airplay, featured in radio promo's, put in a movie.......Well Dave made 600 but probably lost 100K. So heres my advice...


1. If you wanna sell a beat never do it for a flat fee, sell for a percentage of what the track its used on will make say 3% plus cash advance up front if its bangin...


2. Secondly, it sounds to me like you wanna get noticed in the industry so selling beats for a flat rate is the WRONG way to go about that. This industry is based on credits, If you wanna get noticed you can not give up your right to ownership on what you use. Having your name as a co-producer on the credits to a hot song will definately help you make contacts with others.


3. If you are a producer wit hot beats you need to find a hot lyricist. With out that forget it......... The only reason why you even no of producers today is because of the artists they tracked for its a 2 way street one needs the other.........


4. Build a name for yourself in the underground


Now I was probably a little rough bro, but ya seem like you really wanna no, here is a link to some sh** I've done. Hit me back wit any questions

http://www.mp3.com/grahament
 
Yo MEccAH, LISTEN to what gec just shared with you. He has armed you with the information you NEED to SUCCEED.

gec said:
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1a) How do I promote myself as a producer?

1b) Good question, can you make beats, can you track, can you mix down, what is your education on female vocalists? I ask this question because you sound like hip hop is your genre and if you wanna make it in that genre you best have an off the hook chorus wit a vocalist or you could sample, Have you ever sampled?

1c) What do you know about music licensing and obtaining licenses to sample?

2) Do I need business cards?

Your not in business until you have business cards


3) How do I make my own website?

Do you need one, last time I knew p. Diddy, trackmasters, Dre, The neptunes, and timbaland were making there own stuff and not crusin the net looking for it. However, its not out of the question bro certainly having a global connection to promote your beats is a plus but in order to promote effectively it is gonna cost ya...............


4) Should I sell my beats on mp3?

You could!!!!!!!!!


5) Now let me break it down with some math..............


6) I make a blazin beat, and I'm like Dave and sell it for $600 to a guy who works with other producers. 1st I have just sold all rights of ownership of that beat. Now this guy turns it over to timbaland or the neptunes who track it wit a mainstream artist. The beat is hot so it is released as a single off the artists record, Lot of airplay, featured in radio promo's, put in a movie.......Well Dave made 600 but probably lost 100K. So heres my advice...


7) 1. If you wanna sell a beat never do it for a flat fee, sell for a percentage of what the track its used on will make say 3% plus cash advance up front if its bangin...


8) 2. Secondly, it sounds to me like you wanna get noticed in the industry so selling beats for a flat rate is the WRONG way to go about that. This industry is based on credits, If you wanna get noticed you can not give up your right to ownership on what you use. Having your name as a co-producer on the credits to a hot song will definately help you make contacts with others.


9) 3. If you are a producer wit hot beats you need to find a hot lyricist. With out that forget it......... The only reason why you even no of producers today is because of the artists they tracked for its a 2 way street one needs the other.........


10) 4. Build a name for yourself in the underground


11) Now I was probably a little rough bro, but ya seem like you really wanna no, here is a link to some sh** I've done. Hit me back wit any questions

1a) You will need MONEY, which in turn, will buy you GOOD publicity (with a GREAT publicist).

1b) The Hip-Hop/RnB market is FLOODED with at least million artist worldwide. You will need multiple gimicks to set you apart from the rest of the pedestrian individual on the scene.

1c) You will have to "wear multiple hats". IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU LEARN THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE MUSIC GAME!!!!!
You will get F*CKED, if don't take the time to learn about the business. Go to your bookstore and pick up a few books (I'll list them in my next post in this thread).

2) It is mandatory, if you are serious about making some money. It looks non-professional when you write your number down on a napkin or on the back of a matchbook.

3) Can your write HTML, JAVA, JAVASCRIPT, or Flash? You could try using Microsoft Front Page.
It is a good idea to create a website, if you want to reach an overseas market, but you'll need to get "high up" on the "search engines", and that means, more MONEY.

4) I agree with gec. You could sell them online, but I wouldn't. If your beats are "fresh", people are going to "jack" them. But then, you could sue them for some money.

5) gec, broke it down. :D

6) [size-9]Do not give up ownership![/size]

7) If you have to sell it, make sure you get some POINTS! AND an advance! (The label will recoup the advance fee from the artist sales).

8) AGAIN, DON'T GIVE UP OWNERSHIP!!!

9) gec, is ohh, so right. ;)

10) It is necessary that you have credibility. This is one reason why gec told you build yourself in the "underground" scene.

Do you think Eminem, just came out of nowhere? He was an ILL *ss rhymer in Detroit (on the underground scene).

P.s. You might also want to ask a few questions in the Marketing Your Music Forum, on the BBS.

Post, post script. You are selling your tracks for too cheap of a price. :(

peace ....
 
You guys are really helpful! I just printed all of your posts and now I'm all about settin' my goals. First Imma go cop my cards. Yeah, I'm one of them cats who'll just write a number don't on a paper. That is pretty unprofessional. I might do a little travellin'. I know I can go to Chicago and live there for a while because I have family there, so I might take my business there too. I do sample, but I don't really sample much. All I sample are like drum sounds. It might be a kick that I like so I just run it through the MPC. Other than that, I don't do to much phrase samplin' because I don't need to. I'm still questionin' rather or not I should make a web site though. There are so many opinions on it. I just don't wanna get fucked my first week of doin' things, feel me? I'm bout to go to Barnes & Noble tonight and cop a couple of books on the industry. Any recommendations? I just found out how much I'm gonna charge for my beats. People say that I should just start off by chargin' $100 and up, but fuck it! My beats is fuckin' amazin'! Imma charge $1000 and up. Cats will understand. They will have no choice because they're gonna love to flow over it. I just got plenty of copywrite forms, too. My name is on the underground, but it's not for producing, it's for battlin'. And money isn't a real big issue for me. I have a nice payin' job and I can pretty much get what I need right now to spark this shit up. I'm just not gettin' the money for what I wanna get money for, and that's producin'.

Well, thank you guys again, I owe you one. SAE has a nice site. Thanx for pointin' that out to me about Full Sail. Good lookin' out! I gotta make sure I keep in touch with you cats. Make sure I surround myself with serious people like yall because yall was a big help. Thanx again.

2 fingaz
 
..:.:MeCCaH:.:. said:
.... I'm bout to go to Barnes & Noble tonight and cop a couple of books on the industry. Any recommendations? ....
Ask the above question in the Marketing Music Forum here at HR.COM. ;)
 
-for the average producer, ain't nobody gonna give you royalties offa a beat you sell them, that is bullshit

-the only way i see this ^ happening is lets say that you are hired by a label an upcoming label to do like 8 tracks for their artist, lets say his name is rapper x and they don't have that much money to pay you and you have like a contract that might pay you a small fee of maybe $1000 and give you some points on the album for your work...thats about the only way or situation you would be in to receive percentages offa the album for your beats

-the majority of producers sell beats for a flat fee and are not entitled to anything after that ...what you should insist on is jus to get full production credits

-if u r starting out and u are trying to get your name out there you may have to do some shit for very little or no money at all, jus make sure you are getting production credits for the song...if your shit is bumpin eventually you will start to get paid and then you can demand a fee that is worthy

-if you are putting out like a beat cd demo, you can lace the track with a vocal that advertises your bizness that loops over and over again and join bmi or ascap and self publish your music
 
i sell a good beat on the net for $200 or so..

real life, to real labels, we're talking $1,000's
 
aaaaaaa Dogg,


Check this out, the worst thing you can do is get a reputation as cheap in the music industry, YOU WILL GET TRAMPLED on.

If you've got the product, people will pay.........end of story


Lastly, your statement about making sure you get credits is dead wrong

There is not a producer, record label, or any other entity gonna give you credit if they pay you a flat fee for the product. They don't need to cuz they bought it and own it.

However, I do partially agree with your statement about having to do shit to get your name out, but again, I would advise that you not sell anything flat out.

What you would do in this case is license out your copyright for the purposes of the material and collect your royalties from the copyright and still have credits.


There is not a person in this forum that can legitimately argue that someone should sell anything flat out
 
Hey Meccah!!
If you decide to make a website, and we're talking about bussines I can do one for ya', just tell me exactly what you want and I'll give you a call or something...
here's my email
pablo@cafeinaenexceso.com
 
ooh and SOL I've heard your shit, if you been selling that for $200 your gettin robbed, but if you wanna continue to do it, I'll buy it all day long
 
Let me get this straight also. Okay, lets say if a producer doesn't pay flat rate and do collect royalties by selling the beat to a major label. Does that producer get a advance check as well? And what if I sell a beat to a real minor label? Should I charge them with the same thing considering that they don't really make much off their product?
 
The first part of your question needs to be cleared up a little, repost the the first part.......


As far as dealing with a minor label as oppsed to a major?


I thought it was pretty clear that you do not sell anything right out.........if your price is in royalties 3% is 3%. It's all on the record sales after that. The better the artist does the better you do.


Actually, it is pretty common for a indie (or minor) to make just as much money with less record sales because there is no large overhead expenses. However, most of these labels cannot reach a global marketplace with out being distributed by a major or mini major.
 
..:.:MeCCaH:.:. said:
..... Okay, lets say if a producer doesn't pay flat rate and do collect royalties by selling the beat to a major label. Does that producer get a advance check as well? .....
You need to reword that statement/question. It was unclear. ;)
 
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