Secondary Harddrive Recommendations

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Fragmentation is almost a non-issue. Sorry man, it was a poor reason to give.

And again, the efficiency is almost a non-issue too.

You guys are giving audio files WAY too much credit of taxing a hard drive. Audio files are FAR from taxing a hard drives ability to read/write efficiently.

Actually, read my statement, I clearly stated the lower relevance of fragmentation. Also, efficiency is NOT a non issue. It is just a different issue that has become much easier to solve as of late on the hard drive front. The funny thing is that for all of your disagreeing with my statement, I generally was agreeing with you

 

[Ford Van]

Actually, read my statement, I clearly stated the lower relevance of fragmentation. Also, efficiency is NOT a non issue. It is just a different issue that has become much easier to solve as of late on the hard drive front. The funny thing is that for all of your disagreeing with my statement, I generally was agreeing with you

Sorry for the mix up then. It seems that all's I get from people is arguments.

 

[Myriad_Rocker]

I might be repeating what has already been said...but it's ideal to have a drive separate from your system drive for recording to and then another for any samples. Not partitioned...that's not a substitute.

Personally, I have three and they're all internal. 1 for system, 1 for recording to, and 1 for my samples.

 

[JMarcomb]

Actually, read my statement, I clearly stated the lower relevance of fragmentation. Also, efficiency is NOT a non issue. It is just a different issue that has become much easier to solve as of late on the hard drive front. The funny thing is that for all of your disagreeing with my statement, I generally was agreeing with you

thats ED for ya... always right and on the defensive


fragmentation is still an issue.

the more apps are accessed on a drive, the more fragmented the drive becomes. a second drive also helps reduce the fragmentation of data.

 

[Ford Van]

I might be repeating what has already been said...but it's ideal to have a drive separate from your system drive for recording to and then another for any samples.

Okay, we have INDEED covered this. Do you have a "new" reason why you think this is "ideal" that hasn't been discussed yet in this thread?

Sometimes I feel that "ideal" and "best" ideas come about because so many people "think" they are ideal and best, but are NOT based on facts, or real life experience.

All but 1 congressman voted to go to war in Vietnam. They thought is was a great idea.

Okay, not the greatest example, but gets the point across.

I have done extensive testing of hard drive throughput for DAW's in an attempt to figure out why track counts/plugin counts were limited on a system. I HAD to do this stuff to make the best of affordable systems at the time that needed to be able to handle standard band projects.

Once 8mb cache drives came around, hard drives quite being a limiting factor anymore. Once XP stabilized and decent drivers for all devices were written, it quit being a limiting factor. Combined, we have moved FAR away from system crashes and instabilities, and limited throughput.

I know guys that can track 16 inputs at a time on LAPTOPS using the internal drives! They can probably do far more, but that is the most they could test with their interfaces.

Again, a separate drive for audio is good for SAFETY and MOBILITY, and possibly ORGANIZATIONAL reasons, but for "efficiency" and "overall system performance"? Hardly. Audio itself just doesn't tax a system that much. Yes, plugins do, but that is strictly CPU intensive.

 

[Ford Van]

thats ED for ya... always right and on the defensive


fragmentation is still an issue.

the more apps are accessed on a drive, the more fragmented the drive becomes. a second drive also reduces the fragmentation of data.

Yes, you increase the fragmentation by at the most 2% or something. The way XP handles writing to the disk a FAR CRY from the 9x OS's did.

Fuck off Jeff. I have posed my arguments based upon RESEARCH and EXPERIENCE with my own tests. I AM RIGHT, and have to be on defensive because dimwits like you come along with your ancient, weak arguments based on NOTHING that you can prove.

 

[JMarcomb]

i do have a college degree in computer science... do you have any college education?

 

[JMarcomb]

looking at your signature...i highly doubt it

 

[Ford Van]

i do have a college degree in computer science... do you have any college education?

What the fuck does THAT have to do with how efficient a fucking hard drive is?

Holy fucking cow. You learned how to write some code and shit dumbass. That is a far cry from knowing shit about system efficiency.

Get your FACTS together and present them. You show me how a fucking modern, XP based computer, with a 8mb cache hard drive is too inefficient to handle a 32 track project, and how the project will run better because the audio is on a separate drive.

Also, show me the fragmentation FACTS. Audio is written as contiguous or interleaved files. XP AS A FACT is 1000% better than 9x OS's at putting things back where they belong, and minimizing disk defragmentation to the point that it is a non-issue.

Present your facts moron. You won't because you don't HAVE THEM.

While you were away being Mr.Smartguyinclass, I was in the REAL WORLD, working in audio, doing production work.

 

[JMarcomb]

resorting to personal attacks and name calling speaks volumes about ones social and emotional IQ

 

[Ford Van]

resorting to personal attacks and name calling speaks volumes about ones social and emotional IQ

Indeed it does!

You are an amazing example of a guy who speaks this kind of crap out of one side of his mouth, while out of the other doing the EXACT behavior.

You have NO valid argument here, and so you resort to this? LOL You are a very weak person Jeff. You lack identity that is your own, and you are another one of those "followers" in life. You spout off all this crap about self actualization, self worth exercises, zen bullshit, and dime store psychiatry yet, you cannot stay out of an argument that you lost in the first round. You resort ALWAYS to trying to point out the flaws of the other PERSON, rather than the flaws of what they argue. That is the biggest sign of weakness.

I am on to you.

 

[Emperor !!!]

for mobility you can use one external HD

 

[mrT]

You are an amazing example of a guy who speaks this kind of crap out of one side of his mouth, while out of the other doing the EXACT behavior.

Why wouldn't you just let people decide for themselves with what was written???

 

[Mindset]

For the most part, this is somewhat right, except, that the majority of the OS is not stored on RAM. At a regular install w/ 1gb, the OS itself will use around 128/256mb of RAM for XP.

Then, read/write hasn't changed much just how it reads & writes. Windows still reads & writes, programs still do the same. Hard drives technology has lagged behind every other component in computers. The buffers on HD's are still small.

But, Hard drives in general, these days in time, and even many back then, are still more than adequate to record without problems. Now if you want faster access times, just because your impatient like I am and need that extra 1-2 seconds, than you go and get faster drives, and raid them and all that. Audio app designers try and use as little resources as possible, so you can do more as possible.

Sorry, that is just not how it works in audio apps.

A majority of the OS is stored into RAM. There is left over for your apps to run. Once your system is loaded up and working, there is relatively little else going on these days because you have so much stored in RAM that the swap file is hardly used.

Now, if you are a dimwit, and are chatting, checking email, surfing the net, running Excel, and are editing in Photoshop while trying to record too, THEN you might have some read/write problems.

Otherwise, little is being done with the disk, and with such HUGE buffer and cache's being used now, and the HUGE throughput of modern drives, any problems encountered have little if anything to do with the fact that you have audio on your OS disk! I get this from much smarter guys about software than you or I!

I can think of a few really good reasons to have a separate audio disk, but NONE of them has to do with performance issues.