Samson 7 Piece Mic Set

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well next summer me and my band are gonna make another demo after this summers one which turned out ok

this time we are gonna use all better equipment as compared to using 4 60 dollar dynamic mics

I have be looking at a shit load of different drum mics and packages

I have seen the samson 7 piece kit which has one kick, one snare, three toms, and two overheads

they seem pretty good for the price and the cool thing is that they have the clips included in the package

I just wanted some advise on if these are any good

oh and don't worry about the mixer and all that
I just want to know if these mics would sound good out of the best pre amps
 
hey man wuzz^? listen i dont know too much about drum mics but we have a samson wireless lavalier and it is great and the quality is awesome so seeing that it is a samson set i dont think it should be too bad. that's all i can say on that. have you looked into audix? or how about SM57?? good luck with your search and God bless.
 
I would stay away from the samson stuff. They make some handy (half)rack gear but I've never heard a nice samson mic. Decent at best, but fairly crappy in most cases. They are not cheap for no reason. If you name a budget we can help you out alot better. Like, if you're trying to get a full drumkit mic set for 300 bucks, the samson might seem alot better (although I have no clue what that set costs, you can expect to spend around a 100 bucks per mic if you want decent results).
 
yeah I was thinking that they might be ok but not great

I have seen the nady 7 mic set on musicians friend and it seems like everyone likes them

I'm not sure if they would have that great of sound for $169

what you guys think
 
i personally dislike nady's. i've never used their drum mics but when it comes to quality they suck. what is your budget?
 
alright my drummer can most likely aford something 300 bucks and under cause hes gonna get a job

well maybe if he gets a job then he can aford more

just try 300 and under
 
Samson R11 mics are fair for cymbals, I haven't tried any of their other mics.
 
PsychoBandito said:
well next summer me and my band are gonna make another demo after this summers one which turned out ok

this time we are gonna use all better equipment as compared to using 4 60 dollar dynamic mics

I have be looking at a shit load of different drum mics and packages

I have seen the samson 7 piece kit which has one kick, one snare, three toms, and two overheads

they seem pretty good for the price and the cool thing is that they have the clips included in the package

I just wanted some advise on if these are any good

oh and don't worry about the mixer and all that
I just want to know if these mics would sound good out of the best pre amps


Okay, let me ask a few questions:

1. What kind of sound are you trying to get.
2. What size drumkit does your drummer have?
3. What are you recording on? (how many tracks - not channels on the mixer - are you able to record at once?)

Personally, if $300 is the budget _ I would suggest an ATM pro25 on the kick, and a pair of condenser overheads, or a Pro25 on the kick, a dynamic on the snare, and a condenser overhead - directly over the drummer's head.


Both Samson and Nady make fairly decent Wireless systems, but that would be the only thing I would use from either company, and these days - I wouldn't even suggest either one of those now that Sennheiser makes an affordable Wireless unit.

You are better off with 2 or 3 decent mics that you can continue to use, than 7 pieces of crap.

Tim
 
so what I've been reading is that a set of mics might not even be as good as a kick and two overheads

so if I bought two overhead condensers, one for on top of snare and one over right shoulder of my drummer
and if I also got a good kick mic

then that would sound good?
 
PsychoBandito said:
so what I've been reading is that a set of mics might not even be as good as a kick and two overheads

so if I bought two overhead condensers, one for on top of snare and one over right shoulder of my drummer
and if I also got a good kick mic

then that would sound good?


You don't need a condenser for the snare.

IF you "HAVE" to have the drums in stereo (I've got a 16 track set up and record the drums in mono - I've been playing drums for 29 years, and recording since 1984) go with a pair of overheads like the MXL 603's, or one of my new economy favorites the Marshall MXL 990.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/273156/

Then look around for an ATM pro25 Kick mic. I've found these NEW for as low as $49 online, and I like them better than the AKG D112's.


Tim
 
The most important mics are the kick and the overheads. The other mics add body and its important to have fairly good quality. Samson and Nady are rubbish. CAD made some fairly decent ones. The least inexpensive mics I've seen that acually have a quality sound are Superlux. These are suprising mics. The FK-2 sounds really good on kick and floor toms. The FK-4 is a nice warm mic for toms and snare. The mics I have for toms are clones of the SM57 by GLS audio (eBay). They are ES57. I like them a lot!! You can get them for about $30-$35 each.

Overheads should be something decent like the MXL 603s, otherwise the cymbals can be harsh sounding.
 
So correct me if I'm wrong Tim but say if I bought two of those MXL mics for overheads and a pro 25 mic for the bass

this would sound studio quality (excluding the fact that I might not do it in a studio)

oh and buy the way those pro 25 mics are a bitch to find except on a few places and at the time both of those sites are under-construction
 
oh yeah and I also wanna ask about the sound that you are into since you have found your groove I assume playing for as long as you have

I am looking for a more vintage sound
sorta 60's but a little better quality since my drummer is sorta into that sound
 
i've heard those samson mics. i don't know if they come with those c02 pencil overheads but they sounded HORRID to me. my friend's band recorded an ep with those on drums.. everything sounded thin and brittle. it made a very very weak sounding mix. some well placed overheads (GC has oktava 012s on sale for $70 each right now!) and a kick and snare mic will do you a lot of good compared to a bunch of mediocre mics clogging up the mix.
 
if you're going for a vintage sound then close miccing the toms is a waste of money and time.
 
PsychoBandito said:
So correct me if I'm wrong Tim but say if I bought two of those MXL mics for overheads and a pro 25 mic for the bass

this would sound studio quality (excluding the fact that I might not do it in a studio)

Hardly. For that you will need these things:
- A great song. (fairly obvious but cannot be overstated)
- A great drummer. (don't kid yourself, are you the real deal?)
- A great drumkit. (you probably already knew this, right?)
- A great room. (very often forgotten, but extremely inportant, and no, the bassment is not concidered a good room)
- Good mics (you're a decent bit in the right direction if you buy those mics you mentioned).
- A good preamp (any preamp in a mixer is at best only so-so)
- Good AD convertors (most will do though)

Then comes the actual processing of the signal, and (look out) the mixing of the kit, and at last (arg!) the mastering of it all.

My friend, at that stage, you will have a small chance of having achieved "studio quality".
 
With regards to the Nady mics, I both agree and disagree that the quality sucks. I've had good luck with the sound quality from Nady's mics. Their build quality sucks like a Hoover. Don't be surprised if you get one that's DOA. Generally, though, if you get one that doesn't have extra pieces bouncing around inside it, it will probably work well for you.

I don't know what's in that kit, but here are some thoughts on the Nady mics I've used:

DM-90 - a mediocre bass drum mic, IMHO. Very dull sounding. Ditch it and buy a Beta 52 or something.

CM-90 - a decent condenser mic, relatively low noise. Works fairly well for overheads. Warning: buy yourself some mic dlips that are "clip type", as they are not sloped and have a small diameter and will thus slide right out of the slide-in variety even if the clips are brand new.

RSM-2 - ribbon. I started using it on my voice and fell in love. I've always hated the way I sound on pretty much any mic, so if you like your sound on another mic, this probably isn't what you're looking for. Not a good idea to use it for drums... except maybe in a pair as overheads... with a fifty pound mic stand base---those suckers are heavy, and you wouldn't want one landing on your head.

I've never used their dynamics, so no opinion there.
 
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