Same tune, different thread.......

[RAMI]

Mods, if this isn't cool, then do what you got to do. I'm sorry if I shouldn't be doing this.

This is the same tune I had posted in the other thread "Any Flavor You Like". I'm starting a new thread only because the other thread got to page 6 and we got a little side-tracked. Also, I made so many changes to the tune that it's almost like starting a new production at this point. It's nothing like the original version in the other thread. I really need to know if I went in the right direction.

Some of the things I changed (from what I remember, because there's s shit load of changes):

1) Took so much crap off my drums that I hope they sound more natural now. I had them choked in Density III, which is a great plug-in, but only if used intelligently, which I wasn't. The snare ended up sounding very far away by the time I got to putting the tune through a limiter. I hope it sounds more like a snare, in your face, but not too much.

2) Worked on the low-end, which I'm still not 100% sure about. Never thought new monitors would be that hard to get used to, even with all the referencing I'm doing.

3) Got rid of some of that annoying sizzle I had on the intro guitar. It's not the SG's fault. I think I was a little too non-chalant about where I put my mic when I did the track. Had to EQ out a lot of 4k sizzle.

4) Funny thing is, after EQ'ing the guitar so that it sounds better, I thought to myself "Why are you so intent on starting the song with that guitar track when you can start the song with the Strat guitar track, which sounds so much fuller?". So, the tune now starts on the left instead of the right.

I probably did a bunch of other things that I can't remember. But I feel like I want to start a new thread because, like I said, it's pretty much like starting over with this song.

Let me know if I didn't screw it up totally.

Thanx guys.

ANY FLAVOR YOU LIKE (Take 374)

 

[dobro]

This thread is double-tracked.

You've flipped the panning - the opening guitar's on the left now. Drums sound different to my memory of how they were before, too.

I'm really digging the tempo change. Really exciting.

I'm still hearing the mix as being ever so slightly bright. YEMV

 

[RAMI]

You've flipped the panning - the opening guitar's on the left now. Drums sound different to my memory of how they were before, too.

Didn't flip the panning. Started it with the other guitar. Explained here:

4) Funny thing is, after EQ'ing the guitar so that it sounds better, I thought to myself "Why are you so intent on starting the song with that guitar track when you can start the song with the Strat guitar track, which sounds so much fuller?". So, the tune now starts on the left instead of the right.

I'm really digging the tempo change. Really exciting.

I'm still hearing the mix as being ever so slightly bright. YEMV

Cool. you might be right. I'll let others chime in on that. Everything sounds very bass-y to me, but like I said, I'm still getting used to my real monitors, which make everything sound big and beefy compared to the little 5 inch home stereo speakers I used to use.

 

[dobro]

If this one of yours is bassy, then I'm definitely going to have to re-EQ the tune I just put up. Time for some reference mixes.

 

[RAMI]

If this one of yours is bassy, then I'm definitely going to have to re-EQ the tune I just put up. Time for some reference mixes.

No, don't go by my ears. You might be right. I never in my life thought different monitors would be this hard to get perspective from. I probably need about another 100 hours of listening through these before I can make any informed judgement.

 

[dobro]

Proabably not that long. I think the way you're doing it - start with everything new, instruments to monitors - is pretty sensible. You know from experience the sort of sound you're looking for, so I think you'll figure out pretty quickly how to get it with the new gear. It's the monitors that are the biggest adjustment though, yeah.

 

[DM60]

Since you were getting so many comments on the first one, I didn't listen to it. So here is a new listener.

On the the main vocals it is a bit on the high side (when solo).

It was bassy, not boomy and worked for the song in my ears.

Everything else sounds balanced.

That's all I've got.

 

[Greg_L]

Well this mix pretty much takes care of any nits I had before. Nice tight low end. The guitars seem smoother and less crispy.

The only little thing I'm picking up now is maybe you're getting a little phasing/comb filtering with the snare. It ever so slightly jumps around a little from center to a little bit right. It's like I'm hearing the attack in the middle, but it tails off to the right a hair. It doesn't seem like a reverb thing to me. It seems naturally occurring. It's not that big a deal, but fixing whatever's causing that could tighten up the snare even more.

 

[RAMI]

On the the main vocals it is a bit on the high side (when solo).

Not sure what you mean by the "on the high side". You mean too loud? Too much high end?

It was bassy,

Ok, so it's not bright to you then?

Thanx man.

 

[RAMI]

Well this mix pretty much takes care of any nits I had before. Nice tight low end. The guitars seem smoother and less crispy.

The only little thing I'm picking up now is maybe you're getting a little phasing/comb filtering with the snare. It ever so slightly jumps around a little from center to a little bit right. It's like I'm hearing the attack in the middle, but it tails off to the right a hair. It doesn't seem like a reverb thing to me. It seems naturally occurring. It's not that big a deal, but fixing whatever's causing that could tighten up the snare even more.

OK, great. I'm glad I took care of the low end and general woofiness I was getting before. I'll look into that snare phasiness. I always line up my snare to my overheads. I'm wondering if I'd be better off just flipping the polarity. At least I think I got rid of that "distant" sound that was happening with my snare. It's not squished by the Density III as much. Thanx man.

I re-posted this tune, but it's not so much just about this tune. All the changes I made will apply to future tunes and I'll also go back and re-mix some recent older ones. I was doing so many things wrong and got away from the good mixes I always used to produce. I stripped things down, started from the bottom up and built a mix the way I used to. I think I was just guilty of trying to use too many tools just because I had them.

 

[DM60]

Not sure what you mean by the "on the high side". You mean too loud? Too much high end?

Ok, so it's not bright to you then?

Thanx man.

On the main vocals when it had a little too much high end to my ears.

The bass was pretty heavy, no rumble, just very prominent. If you dropped it (bass and kick) just a tad, it wouldn't hurt the song. If you left it, it doesn't hurt it either. Just a personal comment/taste.

 

[RAMI]

On the main vocals when it had a little too much high end to my ears.

The bass was pretty heavy, no rumble, just very prominent. If you dropped it (bass and kick) just a tad, it wouldn't hurt the song. If you left it, it doesn't hurt it either. Just a personal comment/taste.

OK thanx.

 

[Greg_L]

I think I was just guilty of trying to use too many tools just because I had them.

Yeah that's an evil temptation with DAWs. I've been consciously going the other way - purposefully not doing hardly jack shit to my tracks. I use the Density compressor on my drum bus though. I think it's wonderful, but it's easy to go too heavy with it. I use it just to very gently glue the drums together a little bit. It's a great drum compressor for a free plug-in.

 

[RAMI]

I use the Density compressor on my drum bus though. I think it's wonderful, but it's easy to go too heavy with it. I use it just to very gently glue the drums together a little bit. It's a great drum compressor for a free plug-in.

Definitely. It's almost too good, and that's why I was over using it. I had the 2 knobs on the left (can't remember their name. I think one of them is "DRIVE") pegged. There is something about an overly compressed snare that sounds great on it's own. but then just disappears in a mix. I've learned my lesson.

 

[Mr Clean]

Only had a quick listen on my phone but it sounds great, with and without earbuds. I'll be back later for another/proper listen.

 

[Greg_L]

I had the 2 knobs on the left (can't remember their name. I think one of them is "DRIVE") pegged.

Wow! That's a lot. I only turn it up a few notches.

My drums get too machine-gunny if I compress them too much. I'm using "warmer" heads these days though so I might be able to get away with it now.

 

[RAMI]

Wow! That's a lot. I only turn it up a few notches.

My drums get too machine-gunny if I compress them too much. I'm using "warmer" heads these days though so I might be able to get away with it now.

It was a lot. But also, those little small knobs like "color", "link", etc....make a big difference depending how they're set. I had them so that the effect of the compressor didn't do as much. Play with those little switches. I never realized how important they were until I stumbled upon them recently. Having said that, I did have too much compression going on.

 

[jonny deep]

Hey Rami - looking forward to giving the new version a listen later - subbing to the thread for now.,

 

[RAMI]

Hey Rami - looking forward to giving the new version a listen later - subbing to the thread for now.,

Cool Johny. Don't feel obliged. I didn't want to put anyone on the spot by starting a new thread. Anyone that responds is a bonus for me. I get a lot of help in this place as it is, so it's much appreciated.

 

[Mr Clean]

Yeah, sounds great, as I suspected. <<<~ I have nothing to add to this.