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deepwater
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What is the major differance between the VS2400 with expander and the VS2480CD? They both cost about the same so whats the deal?
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Josie
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I was still asking the same question today so I did some research based on http://www.music123.com They have descriptions for both units:
The VS2400CD has a 40gb hard drive,
The VS2480CD has a 80gb hard drive,
The VS2400CD has 13 motorized Faders,
The VS2480CD has 17 motorized Faders,
The VS2400CD may have a different Software Interface, I am not sure of that, since it is not very clear in the description, but the description makes it "sound" like it is "exclusive" to the 2400. They insert so many adjectives in the description that it makes it hard to dig the real essence of the information.
For example: 80gb hardrive "for unparalled storage". For me, 80gb HD is enough info. Save the huppla! Unparalled? I can fill a 80gb HD faster than you can fill a glass of water.
Otherwise, they both are 24 bit, 96khz, they both can use a mouse and a separate VGA monitor, although (again) the Description does not clarify if a Keyboard can be used with the 2400 as it can be with the 2480.
Consumer Beware Dept.:
I tried contacting Roland by fax a number of months ago, asking the same question, and I never received a reply, they wasted my quarter. I sent an e-mail, no response. Still waiting!
So I am really wondering if I should put my money in a company that boasts of "Superb World CLass Support" and does not reply to a basic inquiry.
This is why I am considering a Nuendo-based PC system and just ignoring Roland's hype altogether. (I like the Nuendo interface better than ProTools).
Think about it: if Roland is so unhelpful BEFORE the Purchase, just imagine AFTER the Purchase. An educated guess can be made.
I had the same experience with Yamaha after buying a PSR-9000 Sequencer. The representatives are mostly incompetent and rude, (with one exception to be fair); If you send a Request For Support by e-mail, you get an automated "This is Your Case Number" reply, and you never hear from them again. The Accesories Dept. is still "designing" a Gig Bag for the PSR-9000, which is now 4 or 5 years old. They told me they would contact everyone who inquired. That was back in 2001. Still waiting.
The moral of the story is: be very picky as to where you spend your money,
you are "buying" not just a piece of equipment, but the company and its employees rudeness and lack of training as well. If my experience is of any benefit to anyone, then I will completely bypass Roland and Yamaha for my Home Studio purchase. No Support, No Purchase.
The VS2400CD has a 40gb hard drive,
The VS2480CD has a 80gb hard drive,
The VS2400CD has 13 motorized Faders,
The VS2480CD has 17 motorized Faders,
The VS2400CD may have a different Software Interface, I am not sure of that, since it is not very clear in the description, but the description makes it "sound" like it is "exclusive" to the 2400. They insert so many adjectives in the description that it makes it hard to dig the real essence of the information.
For example: 80gb hardrive "for unparalled storage". For me, 80gb HD is enough info. Save the huppla! Unparalled? I can fill a 80gb HD faster than you can fill a glass of water.
Otherwise, they both are 24 bit, 96khz, they both can use a mouse and a separate VGA monitor, although (again) the Description does not clarify if a Keyboard can be used with the 2400 as it can be with the 2480.
Consumer Beware Dept.:
I tried contacting Roland by fax a number of months ago, asking the same question, and I never received a reply, they wasted my quarter. I sent an e-mail, no response. Still waiting!
So I am really wondering if I should put my money in a company that boasts of "Superb World CLass Support" and does not reply to a basic inquiry.
This is why I am considering a Nuendo-based PC system and just ignoring Roland's hype altogether. (I like the Nuendo interface better than ProTools).
Think about it: if Roland is so unhelpful BEFORE the Purchase, just imagine AFTER the Purchase. An educated guess can be made.
I had the same experience with Yamaha after buying a PSR-9000 Sequencer. The representatives are mostly incompetent and rude, (with one exception to be fair); If you send a Request For Support by e-mail, you get an automated "This is Your Case Number" reply, and you never hear from them again. The Accesories Dept. is still "designing" a Gig Bag for the PSR-9000, which is now 4 or 5 years old. They told me they would contact everyone who inquired. That was back in 2001. Still waiting.
The moral of the story is: be very picky as to where you spend your money,
you are "buying" not just a piece of equipment, but the company and its employees rudeness and lack of training as well. If my experience is of any benefit to anyone, then I will completely bypass Roland and Yamaha for my Home Studio purchase. No Support, No Purchase.
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deepwater
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I've found that there tech support is helpful with little wait. I've had to call on a number of items from drums to keyboards.
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Max Power
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I plan to purchase the Roland 2400CD in the near future. There are three main reasons for me choosing the Roland-
1. I currently own the old VS 840 unit and it is a FANTASTIC piece of gear! In addition, the VS 840 can be synched with the VS 2400 giving me a 32 track digital recording studio that is portable.
2. Roland provided me with outstanding customer service in the past. The techs at Roland fixed a problem I was having with my VS unit FREE OF CHARGE! I have never known ANYONE that has had an "issue" dealing with Roland.
3. The VS 2400 is cost effective when compared to Pro Tools, Mackie or Tascam systems. (The COMPUTER needed to run Pro Tools Digi OO2 costs more than the VS unit!)
1. I currently own the old VS 840 unit and it is a FANTASTIC piece of gear! In addition, the VS 840 can be synched with the VS 2400 giving me a 32 track digital recording studio that is portable.
2. Roland provided me with outstanding customer service in the past. The techs at Roland fixed a problem I was having with my VS unit FREE OF CHARGE! I have never known ANYONE that has had an "issue" dealing with Roland.
3. The VS 2400 is cost effective when compared to Pro Tools, Mackie or Tascam systems. (The COMPUTER needed to run Pro Tools Digi OO2 costs more than the VS unit!)
Louddog
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Max, I own a VS2400, very nice unit. If you have the VS840, you will have no problem, same basic operation. Make sure to get a Monitor, it simplifies all of the editing functions when you have that visual. It does support a keyboard and the 40g hard drive, for me, is large enough, over 60hrs of recording time.
Never used tech support, never had any problems!
Doug
Never used tech support, never had any problems!
Doug
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Max Power
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Thanks for the suggestions Doug. Roland has a promotion for the VS2400CD until the end of the year that includes a 15-inch flat screen monitor like the one featured in the PDF brochure. In addition, the price has gone down to $2,295.00 My only concern about the VS is the editing possibilities. The old VS 840 unit is limited. For example- You can only punch in sounds that are 2 seconds or longer. One of themain functions of punch in recording is to fix tiny flubs,etc.! I hope that the VS2400CD has more "up to date" editing abilities...sometimes one-second flubs need to be fixed. If the VS2400 has editing features as good as software based recording programs like Pro Tools LE, Mackie,Tascam,Logic,etc. then it is truly a GODSEND for home recordists. (Professional quality computer based set-ups are just too darn expensive.) I hope to use the VS unit(s) to record my band's second album. (Wait till I tell the record company that I used their advance monies to buy a bunch of recording/music gear! It is more cost effective for bands build their own studios.)
Max
For anyone that is interested in purchasing Roland products- I suggest that you visit Roland's web site! The site has informative PDF brochures available for download. It is understandable that Roland customer support persons were not responding to Josie's question in regard to the VS machines...(*The brochure for the VS 2400CD clearly states that a keyboard,monitor and mouse can be used with the unit for "software style editing.") His/her questions could have easily been answered by browsing through the PDF brochures for the respective unit(s). The Roland support staff is well-known for being the best in the business. (My brother informed me that even their digital printing/engraving support department is top-notch!) Roland's price,quality and customer support are the reasons that I will use Roland and not a computer based set up (I.e.- Pro Tools LE,Logic,Sonar,etc.)
Max
For anyone that is interested in purchasing Roland products- I suggest that you visit Roland's web site! The site has informative PDF brochures available for download. It is understandable that Roland customer support persons were not responding to Josie's question in regard to the VS machines...(*The brochure for the VS 2400CD clearly states that a keyboard,monitor and mouse can be used with the unit for "software style editing.") His/her questions could have easily been answered by browsing through the PDF brochures for the respective unit(s). The Roland support staff is well-known for being the best in the business. (My brother informed me that even their digital printing/engraving support department is top-notch!) Roland's price,quality and customer support are the reasons that I will use Roland and not a computer based set up (I.e.- Pro Tools LE,Logic,Sonar,etc.)
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dvance101
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Otherwise, they both are 24 bit, 96khz, they both can use a mouse and a separate VGA monitor, although (again) the Description does not clarify if a Keyboard can be used with the 2400 as it can be with the 2480.
I just got my VS2400CD and you can indeed use a keyboard, mouse and monitor, in fact if you buy one now from AMS, Musicians Friend or from Roland, they'll send you a free 15" monitor (offer ends 12/31/04)
I just got my VS2400CD and you can indeed use a keyboard, mouse and monitor, in fact if you buy one now from AMS, Musicians Friend or from Roland, they'll send you a free 15" monitor (offer ends 12/31/04)
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pungod
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Anyone still here?
This thread has been helpful.
What about that minimum 2-second punch in/out? Is that true for the 2400? (Are you there, Louddog?)
About that free monitor offer: It's good through 3/05. You can print a coupon from the Roland website.
I've called Roland twice with questions. The wait wasn't bad, and the questions were answered expertly.
By the way; if you're going the computer-based recording route and hate bad customer sevice, you might consider a Mac.
This thread has been helpful.
What about that minimum 2-second punch in/out? Is that true for the 2400? (Are you there, Louddog?)
About that free monitor offer: It's good through 3/05. You can print a coupon from the Roland website.
I've called Roland twice with questions. The wait wasn't bad, and the questions were answered expertly.
By the way; if you're going the computer-based recording route and hate bad customer sevice, you might consider a Mac.
Louddog
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I think the 2400 also has the 2 sec min. I rarely punch in, and when I do it's longer than 2 sec.
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pungod
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Why didn't I ask this before?
Of course, the solution to the punch-in limitation would be that I could record my fix on a V track and put it (Bounce? Paste?) into the first track. Is there a limit to how small a section I can cut-and-paste?
Of course, the solution to the punch-in limitation would be that I could record my fix on a V track and put it (Bounce? Paste?) into the first track. Is there a limit to how small a section I can cut-and-paste?
Louddog
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No, you can expand the visual on a tracks wave down to .1 sec and take a small piece of that if you want. I have removed a single distorded spike from a recording so small that you can't tell anythings missing in playback. You can insert just as small.