Roland MIDI Volumes for Sequenced Drums

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Over the last long time I have built up what I call a cyber-band... it started out as me sequencing on a Six-Track in 1983 and it's kinda turned into a real band that doesn't exist.

What I struggled with for a long time, and still do to a degree, is getting the songs to sound fairly uniform, so I came up with some MIDI standard volumes that I use.

I've been using outboard MIDI modules this last while, Roland SC-8850 and 8820's, so most of this will apply best to Roland stuff, although it probably works the same in many brands.

I found, unlike others, that running the volume of say the kick at 127 did not sound good, that there needed to be some headroom above it, and I fully understand how this does not make sense with samples but my ears tell me otherwise.

For a basic drum beat, let's say the kick is on 1 and 3, and the snare is on 2 and 4, I program all those at 88 (out of a possible 127). The snare might be at 80 in the verses. If I added hi hat doing eighth notes, I would likely make the strokes that lie on the beat, on 1,2,3 & 4 programmed at a volume of 72, and the hi hats on the off beats, on the "ands" of 1,2,3 & 4 programmed at 40.

It's important to have the soft hi hats sound like ghost notes, and they are barely heard. If the hi hats that are on the beats are made louder than 72, the beat will have more drive.

Cymbals run in the 24 to 72 range, toms in the 32 to 88 range.

Some accents will go up to 100, and rarely over, but sometimes... there are no rules.

I usually run the whole drum track ( CC #007 ) at 100. I set the filter (CC #074) to a standard of 64 at the track's first and sometimes set it lower (maybe to 56) in the verses.

This is all just where I start and every song will have exceptions.

Here's some examples of what it's like all together:
http://musicmusicmusic.cn/grooveoftheweekb.html
 
Hey Dinty,
I caught this thread and realized I actually do something similar, although I don't have it systemized as succinctly as you do. I'm not a drummer, so I either have to grab a pre-sequenced drum line and edit it and move things around or write it out note by note. No matter where I get a sequenced pattern, the velocities are all maxed out. It's not limited to drums either, so I just tend limit the range that gets applied to the velocities.
I don't fuss much with the main beats, but if the kick on beat 1 is at 80, I precede it with a note at about 52 to 60 v.
I took a look your site:some very cool stuff. I especially like the tube amp. Could this same idea be applied to a pre? I would be inclined to work one up for my wife's vocals and one for my guitars.
You most definitely are a DIY man, kudos. Don't mean to gush, but I'm impressed.
-ralpheo-
 
Thanks a lot Ralpheo... I've never looked into making a mic pre - it seems like a very crucial thing so I bought mine - there's sometimes you have to bite the bullet. I have an expensive one but the Presonus Blue Tube works well for a cheapie.

I know what you mean about the MIDI volumes and I never understood why some people max all the volumes to 127. Very unnatural... as a real drummer I like to use the loudest I can play... but not all the time!
 
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