Ribbon Mic Problem

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Recently I purchased 1 of these off of ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/KCM-R-25-VELOCI...0|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50

I used the mimc 4-5 times so far, sounded good for a cheap ribbon. It seems to be pretty smooth.
I used it yesterday to track guitar after pulling it off the stand last night when I was cleaning up, I noticed the ribbon was rattleing.
Not through my monitors, but from the mic itself. The tracks sounded ok...

Does anyone have any ideas what could have caused this, or who could fix it?
 
Could be a loose (improperly tensioned) ribbon. Open it up and post a picture.
 
I hate to say this, but the manufacturer of those ribbons has a very high rate of initial defects. The problem is generally caused by the ribbon corrugations (folds) straightening out, and given how much protection that mic has around its ribbon, unless you pointed an air compressor at it, I doubt you caused the damage. If it isn't too late to send it back as defective and get a replacement, I would suggest that you do so.

If not, see if the 1 year limited warranty will cover a slack ribbon. Apex covers theirs, but most of the Chinese ribbon mic resellers don't, probably because they would have such a high return rate if they did. If the warranty doesn't cover it, find out what it would cost for an out-of-warranty repair, but be prepared to not like what you hear....

Having somebody else repair it is probably out of the question. The cheapest third-party reribboning services I've seen are from ShinyBox ($120) and OktavaMod ($125). Since you could replace the mic for $99, that might not make a lot of sense, though admittedly you could be fairly certain that they would corrugate the ribbons correctly, while a replacement mic would still have probably a 50/50 chance of being bad....

If the manufacturer won't cover it, your choices are basically retensioning it yourself, or writing it off as a learning experience. If you choose to fix the ribbon tension problem yourself, be forewarned that these ribbon mic motors typically do not have tension adjustments, so you basically have to unclamp the ribbon, pull it tighter, and clamp it back down. This is very difficult to get right. Even if you know how to do it, you'll still have about a 1-in-4 chance of tearing the ribbon because of how badly these ribbons stick to the clamps. it is very easy to slip up just slightly and completely destroy the ribbon. And even if you get the tension right, such a retensioned microphone will never sound as good as it would if the ribbon were corrugated correctly.

If you wreck the mic repairing it and decide to replace it, I would strongly recommend that you consider the Apex 205. It's pretty much the same mic you have in a slightly different housing and costs the same price, but unlike most of the Chinese mic resellers, the Apex 1 year warranty reportedly covers ribbon failures/damage.
 
thanks a bunch!
what's weird is, the mic worked find at first and I did not notice any noise when shaking.

this happened over time, also I can hear it the mic is not plugged.

I am out of town right now, i will investigate when i return,

Thanks!!!
 
The unfolded corrugations I've seen almost looked like the ribbon was never folded in some parts. The corrugations that remained worked nicely in terms of folding back up if I pulled a little too hard, so it is probably not merely an issue of the thinness of the material here allowing the corrugations to stretch out too easily (e.g. sagging naturally from handling).

This suggests that something is significantly different between the folds that remained folded and the ones that didn't.... Too rounded a corner, perhaps?

Mr. Joly, Marik, MsH, et al, any thoughts?
 
Well, I found the problem. a tiny screw came loose and fell out of what I believe is a cover for the transformer/internal parts and was rolling around inside.

I did visualy notice some "ribbon sag" however I could not hear it when moving the mic while I was set up to record.
I loosened the nuts that hold the ribbon on the bottom and held the ribbon so the loosened end was towards the bottom, I was able to use gravity and a very tiny screw driver to slide the ribbon taunt, I then re-tightened the bolts.

The ribbon no longer moves and I move the mic.

I will give it a listen tonight or tomorrow.
 
Ah. Good. Glad it wasn't extreme sag. I sent back my first Nady RSM-2 for something similar---an extra washer. I figured that a washer bouncing around inside the headbasket during shipping probably did damage, so I didn't even bother to plug it in. :)
 
I did visualy notice some "ribbon sag" however I could not hear it when moving the mic while I was set up to record.
I loosened the nuts that hold the ribbon on the bottom and held the ribbon so the loosened end was towards the bottom, I was able to use gravity and a very tiny screw driver to slide the ribbon taunt, I then re-tightened the bolts.

Careful there. The ribbon shouldn't really be taut. It shouldn't sag much, but you don't want to straighten the folds. There's a happy medium there.
 
o totally, the folds are still there, just when i move the capsule back and forth i can't visibly see the ribbon move.
 
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