Restoring Old Recordings From Cassettes - Software Advice Needed

  • Thread starter Thread starter The Owl
  • Start date Start date
T

The Owl

New member
Can anyone here recommend and comment on software that would be good for restoring old tape recordings, getting rid of the hiss (as much as possible) and giving the recording a bit more presence and punch.

I know it'll NEVER be album quality but it'd sure be cool to enjoy some old recordings I made years ago again, with less noise of course.

The Owl awaits your wisdom-------------------
 
It depends on your budget. The waves restoration bundle looks pretty tasty but costs a fortune.

On a budget I quite liked Acoustica:

http://www.downloadjunction.com/product/store/1957/index.html

It has a fully functional 30 day demo and if you want to keep it it's pretty cheap anyway ($29).

Another thing to bear in mind is quality of AD/DA conversion going into the DAW and then back onto tape/CD or whatever. This process will potentially degrade the audio further if you're using crappy converters.
 
Also Steinberg is offering some kind of audio restauration suite. I don't have any first-hand info on this as I've never tried it myself but Steinberg homesite probably knows more. In any case it is cheaper than the Waves bundle...
 
Steinberg Wavelab 5.0 (they are up to now I think) has 'declicker' and 'denoise' which are apparently exceptional tools in their own right. But that Wavelab costs a lot. You might be able to do something with 'Audacity'. It's free.
 
gravehill said:
Also Steinberg is offering some kind of audio restauration suite. I don't have any first-hand info on this as I've never tried it myself but Steinberg homesite probably knows more. In any case it is cheaper than the Waves bundle...
I believe you may be referring to "Clean". I have a copy of Clean v4. It's not bad, but it really does only a partial job, and - on my Win2KPro system anyway - does manage to lock up miy system more times than I'd like.

I have Clean, I have the Waves Restoration Bundle, and I have the Sonic Foundry Noise Reduction plugin. What's my favorite tool for this task?...

D.) None of the above.

I find it much more effective to just use Sound Forge and use manual techniques with the standard toolsets to clean up most recordings. On really bad or obvious recordings I might start out with a pass through one of the cleaners just to get a bit of a jumpstart; but in my experience, none of these packages does a satisfactory job by themselves, even after multiple passes. I usually have to go in and do some manual reparing afterwards anyway. Sonetines it's to finish the job that one of the cleaners started, often times it's to make some cosmetic repairs to "damage" caused by the cleaners themselves. After a while I started thinking, 'hell, as long as I have to go in here with my own two hands and do all this work anyway, why not just do it myself from the start, do it right, and be done with it without having to go back and make repairs to coincident damage casued by the original repair?'

The fact is no automated algorithm is going to do a perfect job of seperating the signal from the noise in any recording - unless it is something simple like removing a perfectly noiseless 60Hz sine wave. In my experience, in fact, the job that even the best does is far from perfect. It takes the human mind (of which I borrowed one from somebody smart ;) to really make the proper divide. Cleaners can give you a bit of a jumpstart if you use them lightly at the outset; but beyond that, IMHumbleO, you're better off operating on the patient manually.

It's also a wonderful way to learn a lot about the nature of sound and it's representative waveforms. Nothing like getting you hands dirty when it comes to learning about something. :)

Just one opinion...

G.
 
Update...

I forgot to put in my previous post that I believe I read somewhere that "Clean" is now being marketed under the Pinnacle brand name instead of the Steinberg one. Probably because it conflicted with the Wavelab product plans Steinberg had.

G.
 
Owl, what software, converters and cassette playback machine do you have now?

I've done a fair amount of cassette transfers and the main issue for a good sound was always the adjustment of the machine - head alignment, Dolby crap, and actually the cassette itself. The pad that the playback head presses the tape against (that's built into the cassette) can deteriorate over time and not do its job.

Good luck.

Tim
 
I agree with Glen -- there is no single tool or plug that restores cassette transfers.... the most effective method is a combination of tools for specific purposes, depnding on the issues encountered on a specific tape.

I use both Sound Forge and Cubase for restoration work.
 
Timothy Lawler said:
Owl, what software, converters and cassette playback machine do you have now?

I've done a fair amount of cassette transfers and the main issue for a good sound was always the adjustment of the machine - head alignment, Dolby crap, and actually the cassette itself. The pad that the playback head presses the tape against (that's built into the cassette) can deteriorate over time and not do its job.

Good luck.

Tim

Have a Sony cassette deck that's in good shape, the only aduio software I have right now is CUBASE SE which I use primarily for recording, not sure how it would be for restoring recordings, I tend to think a specialized package would be a better bet for that sort of thing. I did download a tryout version of Adobe Audition (haven't loaded it yet) and a freeware program called Acoutsica. I'll give them both a try and see what happens. What I'lll do first is transfer the cassette to audio CD-R, I have a stand-alone CD recorder.
 
Audition probably won't do much for you in and of itself. While it's a nice program - I happen to like it quite a bit, actually - it is in essence only another editor. It's kind of like Sound Forge and Cubase thrown together as far as overall features. But in and of itself, it really won't offer anymore of a solution to your posted problem than Cubase will. It's like saying I have a Skil saw but I want to try the Craftsman saw next.

G.
 
The Owl said:
... comment on software that would be good for restoring old tape recordings, getting rid of the hiss (as much as possible) and giving the recording a bit more presence and punch.

My top choice for broadband is Voxengo Redunoise (VST).
2nd choice is Magix Audio Cleaning Lab (version 10 just came out $29).
I have Adobe Audition, Sound Forge NR, Virtos, and a lot of other stuff...

Giving tape restorations more presence = I use EQ.
Giving tape restorations more punch = I sometimes use dynamics processing.
 
Steiberg Clean was the one I had in mind originally. Now that kylen mentioned the Redunoise from Voxengo, their plugins usually are very good quality stuff with good price, too. Probably worth checking out as well.

SouthSIDE Glen - Just out of general interest, how do you do the restauration job manually?
 
gravehill said:
SouthSIDE Glen - Just out of general interest, how do you do the restauration job manually?
I was afriad somebody might ask me that. :) ;) It's hard to give a general recipe, because the order of operation, and exactly *which* operations constantly changes, depending on the exact nature of the source.

Last month I was given the task of removing ambient noise and computer fan noise from a meditation tape. This was not long afer I worked on restoration of a recording from vinyl from somebody else. The way I wound up going about both of those was entirely different.

The vinyl restoration I passed through Clean once very lightly; after that it was mostly just going after the transient pops and clicks one at a time by zooming in tight on the timeline on each major one (in Sound Forge) and just supressing it by highlighting the individual offending peak (or dip) and either hitting it with negative volume or smoothing it with the "Smooth/Enhance" control...or somtimes both if it's a particularly nasty peak. (Note: you have to make sure when using that method that the ends of your highlights are at zero crossings in the waveforms or you could be creating almost as much noise ad you are getting rid of.) Once all the main noise is supressed, then there a bit of general cleanup and cosmetics that could include muting between songs, applying severl layers of light fades in and out to ease the transition from the muted area to the begining of the track and vice versa, etc. Then, once it's fairly clean, I run it througfh a basic re-mastering with volume, sometimes a *little* EQ and sometimes a little dynamic expansion or compression.

The getting rid of the noise from the meditition tape (I was actually sent the original master WAV file) was actually a bit tougher and more interesting of a project. It was more delicate in some ways. That one I used no NR or restroation plugs at all, they simply either didn't do the job cleanly enough or to get them to remove the noise they had to corrupt the signal too much. So I did it all manually. It took 6 seperate and complete passes to get that one down, using different tools each time. I gated out most of the noise during the silent passages (in a slow, calming meditation narritive there's a lot of silent passages ;) ), smoothed the transition between the gate and the waveform, attacked a few glottal clicks from the speaker herself in the same method that I attacked the transients as described above, applied some dynamic expansion to the low-level hi freq stuff during the talking (kind of synthing my own "dbx-style" NR methodology), added some light reverb at the transition from talking back to the gated areas to smooth the transition to the gate and added some air back to the whole mix as a final master step. I think there may be a trick or two that I had to perform that I forget now (my engineering notes are on a different computer right now), but I think you get the general gist of it.*

I'm going to meet up with one of my bands that's playing tomorrow (Saturday) night. Their not "mine", just friends of mine who I do occasional work for and who I make it a point never to miss when they're playing because I love their stuff :). Anyway, the band leader leader (bass player) might be giving me some CD copies of old casette tapes of some of his old performances in the past that he want's me to work on to restore and re-master for him. (I'm not sure only because we have all been known to forget to bring stuff like that to live gigs before, you know how that goes ;) If/when he tasks me with this stuff, I'd be happy to share progress and notes on that job with anybody willing to read my pedantic ramblings ;)

G.

*Additional note added in after the original post: I think I also did some tight parametric notching of particularly offending fundamentals coming from the computer fan, but I don't recall the specifics offhand.
 
That would definitely be interesting to read. Thanks for sharing!
 
Revisiting this thread again.

I've been able to get some experience with Magix Audio Cleaning Lab, for the money it does an awful lot of good stuff, the Spectral Cleaning option's great for erasing the offending pops and clicks that the automatic declicker/decrackler options just can't get by themselves. It does a pretty good job of removing background noise as well. Good program to learn the basics of remastering/restoration on.

However, I'm looking into grabbing Sound Forge, Sonic Foundry or Steinberg Clean (or something comparable).
 
Back
Top