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hello guys,
I am looking at getting an Allen and Heath 16:2 for live use and i wanna use it for recording and mixing as well. i am thinking of running my direct outs from the 16:2 to my tascam us-1800 and then into my computer to Cubase le 5. does anyone know how i can get a full 14 channels played back either through my tascam from the computer or direct to the board so i can individually mix every channel? If not, does anyone have any other suggestions?
 
Well, you only have 4 line inputs on the Tascam. You could run the direct outs into inputs 1-10, but you would be running through the preamps of the 1800. Not the ideal, but not to say that it is not possible. You will not have the ability to run the recorded tracks back through your mixer, as the 1800 only has 4 outs. That is not necessarily a bad thing though. There really is no reason to go back through your A&H for mixing anyway.
 
okay. lets forget about the tascam. lets say i have an Allen and Heath ZED-R16. if i am not mistaken, you can record all 16 mono channels to the computer through firewire. so now you have all channels on your computer independently and you can run those back to the R16 for mixing. is that correct?
 
Looks like that is possible from the ZED-R16, as far as separate tracks sent to DAW via USB.

I must ask though, what your intentions are? What is it you wish to achieve by purchasing a mixer to 'dual purpose' recording and live PA. It is usually more effective and cost efficient to keep the gear separate. That depends on your budget, and definitive allocation of gear to make it happen tho. IMO, a live recording with a board will be just that, an 'as is' recording. Multi-tracking and using the 'good' preamps/mics/whatever gear you have for input, will give you the most of what you have.

If I had $80,000 and a remote recording rig in the back of my van, which I actually had the opportunity to use once, I might actually consider tracking a live show. This can be done with a separate set of mics/interface/DAW, but it it really seems to me a lost cause trying to find a unit that will do both live and recording. What you are expecting from a live recording is something we should be discussing.

Lets get down to the basics of what you are looking for. Not meaning to be condescending in any way man. There is just a point where budget meets the real world with setup for live recording.
 
i am not interested in live recording. i am on a very tight budget as i am only 17. i need a mixer for my band to do live shows as a PA system but i also want something i can record in our basement with to do demos and get our music out there. the downside with this board is only 60mm faders and the firewire. i have a pc and would need a mac for firewire if i am not mistaken.
 
Well, like I said, your best interest as far as budget and recording quality IMO, are to keep your PA separate from your recording setup. There are not feasible, low budget devices that will do both at once (as far as I know). Don't get me wrong here, there are ways to integrate them, but by no means anyway I have found to get recording and live sound to work together without two completely separate setups. With budget concerns at hand, separating your recording setup from your live setup is the best way to start. I'm sure someone will come up with a crazy idea, but in the end, it will be two completely different rigs that do what you want to achieve.
 
i think to start out i am gonna make it work with both studio and live PA setups. thanks for the input
 
on a side note, do you know how studio mixing consoles are routed to the computer? cause you see videos and tutorials of producers running it off the computer back through the mixer. do you know how they do this?
 
They are routed through high end DA/AD converters, via mixing consoles that cost more than most members homes. This is a level of gear that is not typically talked about in Home Recording. I understand the desire to have a mixer (desk) that looks like a professional studio. It is not necessary however. In fact, many professional producers mix in the box (ITB). There is absolutely no need to start your music/mixing/producing endeavor by worrying about getting a mixer. Unless you have $25,000 and a buttload of experience. A $2500 console will probably be a waste of money, unless you have $20,000 worth of outboard gear to warrant needing a mixer. Start with the basics dood. Unless you are rich beyond my means. In which case, If you are, then I would come move in with you and we can put together an awesome studio! :)
 
i am in no way needing that gear i am just curious. i prefer simple setups.
 
Me too man. That is why I a giving you my opinion. We are in the same boat. Just trying to give you real world advice. BTW, I am not messing with you. I'm not an asshole. I am just giving my advice.....
 
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