Recording - What do U do first?

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Just as a matter of interest i was just wondering on how people go about writing and recording their songs. For Example

- Do you write the song on 1 instrument first before recording it? Or just record straight out.
- What instrument do you do it on?
- What track do you record first? Drums? Bass? Guitar? Keys?
- What track comes next?
- What software do you use? VST's and VSTi's?
- Whats your favorite effect and what track do you use it on?

I'm not expecting an epic essay from everyone...... I would just like to get some other ppls perspective on writing and recording.

Look forward to some interesting answers.

Thanks
 
-I typically write the song on guitar and build the other instruments around it. Sometimes the song comes out in other ways, like a vocal idea or a bass idea, or a culmination of different ideas strung together. I use my recording gear at times to try out different ideas and arrangements.

-I typically record in the following order: drums, rhythm guitar, bass, leads, vocals, back vocals, and finally any extra goodies/sound effects that might spice up the arrangement.

-I record using Samplitude 6.0, mixing out of an RME to a 16 channel mixer into DAT. I don't use any VST's when tracking, preferring to record as dry as possible. I rarely use compression, preferring to ride the fader levels, and any reverb comes from an Alesis fx unit hooked up through the sends and returns of my mixer.

-I don't really have a favorite effect. I've found that only the minimum amount of reverb on drums and vocals makes for a better sounding and tighter mix that stands the test of time.
 
I record drums first, mics on kick, snare, Ohead, onto 3 tracks in Cakewalk GT3. I'll have a particular groove and tempo in mind, not much more.

The drums sound like ass, so I pick from a selection of EQ curves I've dialled up over time, until I get something I can bear to listen to.

Then cut, slice, dice & loop sections of drums into something resembling a song structure. Riff over the top of that, and identify intro, verse, bridge & chorus. Then the chord progression over the riffs. Add bass.

By now the kick has usually been buried, so I copy that track and trigger a nice kick sample.

Then post the mp3 and try and find someone to write some lyrics and do a vocal melody
 
I've done it different ways in the past, but for this current project:

-All songs have been written and "rehearsed to death" on acoustic guitar.

-I record the acoustic guitar first to a midi metronome, record bass next, program the drum track or record drums,
record vocals, and then add electric guitar, leads, keyboard, etc. as needed.

-I use Sonar 2.2XL (haven't gotten around to upgrading yet) and pretty much only use the basic effects plugins.
I record the track completely clean and may add some reverb or EQ later.

-I have yet to really use any "effects" on this project, but my favorites are:
---Telephoning the vocals
(drop the highs and lows and raise the mids so it sounds "tin can" like a telephone or answering machine).
---Ghost/reverse reverb
(mentioned in another thread here...you can hear what it sounds like in the movie "Poltergeist").
---Bitcrusher
(a coworker told me about this not long ago and I'm playing with it...basically it reduces the bitrate of your
recording and makes it sound raunchy)
 
It used to be

Write song
Programme drum machine
Record drum machine
Record percussion (it's a very dull drum machine)
Bounce drums and percussion to two end tracks (it's also a very dry drum machine. I have to do this to put some reverb on it without affecting the kick sound too much)
Record bass, guitars and vocals

But now it's...

Write song
Set up mics
Record me singing and playing song on acoustic

:)

I can't be arsed to do all that stuff on my own.
 
when i am writing a song, i mainly use the gutiar but lately i've been bored with the basic chords. I find it easier to create exotic chords on a piano first and then figure them out on guitar. I like to woodshed on the piano for the rhythm part and make up licks on an acoustic guitar. I just write the music, i leave the lyrics up to our vocalist. All of our songs have a "fem" theme to them but what can you dp?
 
minofifa said:
when i am writing a song, i mainly use the gutiar but lately i've been bored with the basic chords. I find it easier to create exotic chords on a piano first and then figure them out on guitar. I like to woodshed on the piano for the rhythm part and make up licks on an acoustic guitar. I just write the music, i leave the lyrics up to our vocalist. All of our songs have a "fem" theme to them but what can you dp?

I wish I could play piano :(
 
First I work out the song on guitar or piano.
-program a rough bass part.
-program a rough kick part and drums.
-clean up the bass. Maybe record the part with a real bass.
-have a real drummer go over my parts to make them sound authentic.
-make last minute adjustments to structure of song
-record the vocal
-record backing vocals
-put in the rythmn instruments
-put in the fills
-set up the mix i.e. any external processors such as delays and reverbs. Most of the compression I add along the way so its sounding pretty close when I start to mix.
-burn it to stereo and master it.
-Ask everyone I know; how does it sound?
 
I write the song using an acoustic guitar. Well, the writing is pen and paper. When I have roughly what I want, I start recording.

I find a song or pattern on my drum machine that fits and set a tempo, and record like 8 minutes of that.
Rough in guitar.
Add bass.
Rough vox.
Start redoing parts, adding solos, etc.
 
hmm...

Sometimes i wonder what the hardest part is, writing a tune or laying it down... sometimes a song comes out of nowhere but is very hard to nail on tape, othertimes I can agonise over a song but recording it is easy.
Seeing as this is homerecording lets say ive written the song then....

firstly, (I use a tascam 488MKII)
Click track. (to get the bps i play along usually with my guitar until i find the right tempo) record a good 4-5mins of the click track, enough to cover the song.

Secondly, Sing the song over the click track, usually with a guitar again. The song must be completly structured by this point, in time to the click track, complete with intro/ending etc...

Then, program my drums over it and record the patterns live onto a track. (i record contemporary pop, r n b chart shite (sell out yes! but hope to get a songwriting deal)so the drum machine is suffice for the right sounds). Usually the timing will slip a little bit but is still workable as i can delete the rough guide performance.

Then re-record the guide performance IN TIME with the drums. the song is now set up and the blanks just need filling in.

Bass and percussion recorded. Like to get the rhythm and bass nailed first.

Lead instrument recorded (could be guitar or some keyboard track and so on)

Vocals (over the guide performance)

Backing vocals

Effects or another instrument. Decorations to the song if you like.



Mix with send/return effects, delay,reverb etc and compress it all (to taste)and down onto tape/cd.

Now just gotta send em off to record companies!
 
well, in the past i used to write lyrics whenever an idea came to me and then tried to get a guitar idea down..either with the guitarist in my band or just write one myself on my guitar....then record the guitar and vocals afterwords


now i cator more to the guitar riff and make my lyrics fit that way..i learnt the hard way that its easier for me to have a good melody and vocal rhythm once there is already a guitar riff/line ect :-D
 
First off we fill up a big bowl with Skittles and Twizzler bits, and open a bottle of red wine or some beers.

I start with a lyrics sheet and then sit down with my co-conspirator to rough out chords. We do this without any instruments, just theory. We aren't super-composers by any stretch, so this needs some tweaking once we actually play it. The melody is usually in my head with the lyrics, but it's subject to change once the chords are written, less so if I'm singing, but if it's my bud then I just hum a few bars and let him make up the rest. The general idea is not to let any preconceived notions infiltrate the composing process. If something sounds like a riff then we'll toss everything out & start over with the lyrics sheet.

Scratch track is drums, guitar, and vocals. Sometimes I'll use a metronome for a few bars but that's it, after you get the beat you gotta let it breathe. Everything is thrown out from the scratch, although sometimes there will be screams, yelps, laughter, funny remarks that will find their way back in an overdub.

Start over with drums, often tracking drum parts separately, like bass & snare, then cymbals/fills. This way I can avoid gates and the fact that I suck at drums. Next is rhythm guitar, then vocal, then bass. As first and foremost a bassist I like drums, vocals, and guitar before I even write the bass line. By then we've lost the lyric sheet, so I have no idea what the chord progression is, I just feel my way through, sometimes atonally but sometimes just riding a single note on the eighths the whole way. Last is backing & overdubs, and synth/effects tracks.

Effects are onboard DSP (trusty ol' Yamaha DS2416). I like a touch of reverb, love its amp simulator (especially on vocals), and symphonic which is a real subtle chorus effect that's good for doubling guitars.

Style of music is postmodern punk/garage with a large dose of self-deprecating humor.
 
This has turned into songwriting/recording thread which is appropriate for home recording, since most of us are demoing all of our original creations at home. If you're new to home recording or songwriting, you may want to read this.

I find it helpful to switch from piano to guitar during the writing process. It gives you a different take on things. Also, try putting on the capo, or switching between your acoustic and electric. Try alternate tunings. Try electric piano sounds. All the changes will inspire different parts and ideas. Jamming to a drum loop is also a great way to woodshed.

For lyrics, I use a word document or piece of paper and brainstorm words related to my idea, then use the rhyming dictionary and thesaurus to put as many words at my disposal. Then I write the verses, and take inspiration from the plethora of ideas written there. Lots of rewrites later, I'm ready to record.

Recording always starts with a reference track, usually piano, since that's my main instrument. At this point, I'll need to solidify the basic structure of the song. From there, I'll add instruments at random, but usually bass and drums first. A reference vocal goes down very early.

I'll then plug in my guitar or keyboard, and jam along to create hook lines, riffs, fills, and lead licks. This part will take hours, or even days. I try different sounds in my keyboard and different guitars and settings on the amp. Lots of experimentation goes on. Rhythm parts are locked in first, then lead parts.

Once I have a decent bed of tracks, I do the keeper vocal part, trying different microphone placement to get the right sound for the song, and for how loud I'm belting out the tune. I'll do a few warm up takes to get the sound the best it can be with mike placement and optimize the levels, then do around four (hopefully) good tracks of the lead vocal. I'll then composite the best of those tracks into the keeper track. Most singers have their best takes from the fourth to the eighth take. They're still warming up on the first few, then later on they start to get burnt out after singing the song so many times. Harmonies are definitely close to the last thing to go to hard disk.

Then I prepare each track by removing background noises, and normalizing. Sometimes I'll put the track through a limiter to remove unwanted transients. This is where I'll eq each track to give it its own space in the frequency spectrum. I'll usually create a little bump in a frequency range of each instrument that will help bring out its personality. This is done very sparingly as any drastic eq'ing wrecks the sound. I'll also put a high pass filter on each and every track. On bassy instruments, I'll just get rid of the subsonics, but on everything else, I rip the bottom right out of it. I'm ruthless on overheads, taking some mids out, as well. This will clean up a mix like nothing else.

Then there's more experimtention with effects and filters. The lead vocal will get a lot of attention, trying different compression, eq'ing and effects. I'll also start doing automation (using Sonar) on the tracks that need it.

This is the point where I'll start using reference songs, professional stuff that has great production, usually something that's in the same genre. I like production on Vince Gill, Dixie Chicks, and Toby Keith since my stuff is more or less country. If you're doing rap, reference with other urban music that you like. I use referencing to determine if I have the right amount of frequency content (enough lows, mids and highs) and overall compression on the mix. I'll also use it to help determine the balance between different instruments. I personally find it especially hard to determine the level for the vocals and bass guitar without a point of reference. I'm not necessarily trying to emulate the production sound of the reference songs, just using them as a guideline.

I use mastering compression, and maybe eq (if the highs are dull or sibilant or if the bass is too rumbly) in Cool Edit Pro, which is a decent mid level audio editing program (it also does multitrack recording, so this may be the only program you need if you don't use a lot of MIDI stuff).

I'm still experimenting with exciter-type programs that create high harmonics and add sizzle and crispiness to recordings, so I won't comment too much other than these programs and devices are used by professionals, but the best ones cost a fortune. If you're trying to achieve this "excited" sound, this is how it's being done.

I'll try to get the level close to one of the reference songs. Then comes sample rate conversion with dithering to 16 bit audio, as I record at 24 bit/44.1 kHz.

Then I'll burn a copy and play it in anything that can play CD's: my car, my DVD player, etc... The TV speaker is especially brutal for exposing flaws in the vocal perfomance. The car stereo is a totally different listening environment, and I find it a great reference. I'll go back and make adjustments based on what I discovered listening on all the different CD players.

Okay, that's my current process. Of course, I may change my mind and do everything differently tomorrow ;-)
 
1. Write song on guitar.
2. Explain how to play the song to the rest of the band.
3. Watch drummer scratch his head while he goes to cook up another spoonful under the clever guise of "having to take a crap for an hour."
4. Get frustrated that the band can't read my mind and play exactly what I'm thinking.
5. Kick everybody out of the band except the other guitarist and myself.
6. Start selling shit on Ebay after coming up with the idea that he and I should just record the whole damn album ourselves and that we need more equipment.
7. I'll fill you in on step 7 once we buy more stuff.
 
Lance135,

Thank you for the thoughtful, thorough and detailed post - cool stuff to save for later.
 
Thanks, Ahuimanu. I couldn't stop typing for some reason.
 
- I write the song on acoustic guitar and find a vocal melody by humming it out. Then I'll go back and write lyrics to fit melody and phrasing.

- Record scratch track of acoustic gtr w/ lead vox over midi click or basic drum loop. This gives me guidance in song for the rest of tracks. Then I'll either plug drum loops or play drum samples through NI's Kontakt. Once I have the drums, i'll rerecord acoustic, then lay down electric, bass, instrument melodies, lead vox, backups, filler parts (tambourine, etc). I lay down every idea I can think of, and worry about arranging later.

- I use Cool Edit Pro 2.0 for all audio editing. If I need to utilize midi, then Sonar 2.2 is used. It's a hassle but works for me.

-Plugins are the standard CEP w/ a couple freebies and PSP mix package. VST/Dxi's are NI's Kontakt, pro-53, reaktor, and fm7.
 
- I write the song on acoustic guitar and find a vocal melody by humming it out. Then I'll go back and write lyrics to fit melody and phrasing.

- Record scratch track of acoustic gtr w/ lead vox over midi click or basic drum loop. This gives me guidance in song for the rest of tracks. Then I'll either plug drum loops or play drum samples through NI's Kontakt. Once I have the drums, i'll rerecord acoustic, then lay down electric, bass, instrument melodies, lead vox, backups, filler parts (tambourine, etc). I lay down every idea I can think of, and worry about arranging later.

- I use Cool Edit Pro 2.0 for all audio editing. If I need to utilize midi, then Sonar 2.2 is used. It's a hassle but works for me.

-Plugins are the standard CEP w/ a couple freebies and PSP mix package. VST/Dxi's are NI's Kontakt, pro-53, reaktor, and fm7.
 
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