Recording Vocals

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Finally got system working good. I want to try vocals. By reading threads its seems a decent cheaper start would be sm-58. (better for vocal than sm-57)
Did I read right. Any other ideas. Also, any ideas for preamp to power the mic. Thanks
 
In general, yes, the SM-58 is good for low budget vocals. If you ever plan on recording anything else (i.e. guitars, etc.) you may consider getting a 57 instead, as it will be more versatile in the long run. You will eventually upgarde your 58 along the way.
 
Well then guess what? You don't need a pre! The phantom power negates the need for one. Just get a cable and plug the mic into the mic input. Getting a pre for the hell of it is a bad idea too, more items in your signal chain means more room for error. Any other questions?

I'm in agreement with DJ. SM58 is a beginner mic, focusing on vocals. Get a 57 if you need it for other applications.
 
yea, I just want to start with vocals. I didnt know phantom power took the place of a pre. If I had extra $, and other suggestions for a better mic? The next level higher maybe. thanks for info.
 
A step up would land you in the large diaphragm condenser category. I'd say check out studio projects c1, audio technica at3035, akg c1000s... Just remember LD condenser and check out reviews.
 
Anomaly Design said:
Well then guess what? You don't need a pre! The phantom power negates the need for one. Just get a cable and plug the mic into the mic input. Getting a pre for the hell of it is a bad idea too, more items in your signal chain means more room for error. Any other questions?

Technically, this is incorrect. Phantom power does not negate the need for a preamp. Phantom power is generally a feature of a preamp, used for powering condenser mics. It does nothing for the SM57 or 58, which are dynamic mics. However, The 1082 has 4 built-in preamps (with switchable phantom power), so you do not necessarily need an external preamp -- i.e. you can use dynamic or condenser mics with that interface without an additional pre.
 
ah, time to resuck on the tascam manuel. I don't remember it saying it has 4 preamps. Guess that guy at GC steered me right maybe. Go figure that for a big chain. Thanks
 
From the manual:

tascam.com said:
Mic inputs and phantom power switch
MIC (1 through 4) These XLR connectors (1 =
ground, 2 = hot, 3 = cold) are connected to high-quality
internal microphone pre-amplifiers.
These connectors are wired in parallel with the correspondingly-
numbered LINE IN jacks. Only connect a
line source or a microphone to these pairs of inputs.
Do not connect a line source and a microphone to the
same input pair at the same time.
PHANTOM (+48V) switch Use this to switch
+48V phantom power to the microphone jacks.
 
Thats a bit greekish to me, I have to read up more about Phantom power. Not much in manual except NOT to use with dynamic mics. Seems Phantom power just adds more power to pre-amp for condensor mics. Which is best for vocals?!Yes?!

Can you also explain the
1=ground
2=hot
3=cold
lingo
thanks :)

just found a bit of an explanation tought I'd pass on. Still a bit over my head
but some things made sense.
http://www.tangible-technology.com/power/Phantom_Power_connect.html
 
There are a number of strange statements floating around this thread.

"SM58 is a beginner mic, focusing on vocals. Get a 57 if you need it for other applications."

The SM58 and SM57 are identical mics, except for the shape of the grill and built in windscreen on the 58. Now, they do sound a bit different, which is a good lesson on just how much the design of the enclosure can affect the sound of a microphone. But basically, unscrew the spherical grill from a 58 and you pretty much have a 57.

"A step up would land you in the large diaphragm condenser category. I'd say check out studio projects c1, audio technica at3035, akg c1000s... Just remember LD condenser and check out reviews."

Only one problem: The C1000 is not a large diameter condenser. Well, actually, there is another problem - recommending it as a vocal mic for recording purposes. There may be someone out there who actually sounds decent when recorded through a C1000, but I can't even imagine what kind of voice they would have.

"Seems Phantom power just adds more power to pre-amp for condensor mics."

Actually... no. Think of your cell phone. There are two ways to make it work -have a charged battery, or plug the charger into the phone and draw power from the household current running through the transformer in the charger. Without some source of power in a condenser mic, the electronics simply do not function. Phantom power is kind of like running your cell phone off of the charger. Except that the standard for microphones is 48 Volts, (although many will work to some extent on less.) So, phantom power doesn't boost the signal going to the preamp, it actually "turns on" the mic itself.

(By contrast, a dynamic mic and most ribbon mics do not need external power.)

Finally, the pinning diagram is simply stating that the pins are wired in a standard configuration. The pins refer to the individual connectors on the XLR male and female ends. If you take one apart, you will see (in most brands, like Neutrik and Switchcraft) that they are clearly labelled 1, 2 and 3. There was a time when some gear had had Pin 3 hot instead of Pin 2, but these days almost everything is Pin 2 hot. If all your stuff is Pin 2 hot, (and chances are overwhelming that it is) you don't have to worry about it. A piece of gear with Pin 3 hot would require you to custom make a special cable where Pin 2 and 3 are switched at one end, in order to make it work with your other gear. A mic preamp with Pin 3 hot, for instance, might severely damage one of your mics (that was designed to have pin 2 hot) when phantom power was engaged, unless you used that custom cable.

A miswired cable can essentially produce the same problem, so if you are making your own cables - check them with a cable tester or meter before using them!!!
 
Great explanation littledog. A condensor mic simply needs phantom to turn it on. I thought the pre-amp would power both. If I have that correct. I'll stteer away from C1000 and check out others, any other suggestions for mics. As I reread Scrubs said that before, sometimes the ADD kicks in and I don't read it right the first time. Thanks
 
Albertm said:
Great explanation littledog. A condensor mic simply needs phantom to turn it on. I thought the pre-amp would power both. If I have that correct. I'll stteer away from C1000 and check out others, any other suggestions for mics. As I reread Scrubs said that before, sometimes the ADD kicks in and I don't read it right the first time. Thanks

since your talking about two mics in the 100 dollar range im just going to throw out the mxl v63m for 80 or 90 (dont spend anymore on it, its not worth more than that). I was in your shoes last year and this was the first condenser i got, its your basic condenser mic, pretty sterile, which allows you to get a decent sound out of vocals, acoustic, mic'ing amps, drum overheads, drum room mic'ing, pretty much doesnt fail you untill you mic a bass cab, which still does pretty good.

i think after you learn the ropes of working your system and you catch up to speed on what you want to accomplish, then spend 400 on different specialized mics that fit your voice, guitar, etc.

dont just take my advice for which mic to get, that mic is just the experience i had, its taken a couple drops and humidity (im in florida) and has experienced no quality drops. i would not, however, even think about comparing this microphone to a studio projects c1 or anything in that quality range.
 
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