recording noisey drummers

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My question is, what impedence/watts etc is needed on headphones for a drummer, as this is the most noisiest thing when recording? We have found that the drummer needs more volume to hear, which then hinders his playback quality.

I know the obvious answer is to buy the mega expensive ones but what (if there is any) are the best reasonably priced ones I need ro be looking at.

Any advice will be gratefully received.

Cheers

Pete
 
MoreME's work pretty good for real cheap, and Sienheiser 280's work really well, but are a bit more.
 
I use some MoreMe's, and while they might bleed a little right into my OH's, it's pretty easy to fix.
 
UKPete said:
Hope I am in the right forum page!

My question is, what impedence/watts etc is needed on headphones for a drummer, as this is the most noisiest thing when recording? We have found that the drummer needs more volume to hear, which then hinders his playback quality.

I know the obvious answer is to buy the mega expensive ones but what (if there is any) are the best reasonably priced ones I need ro be looking at.

Any advice will be gratefully received.

Cheers

Pete
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Not sure if this helps, but all the drummer needs is the click track pretty dang loud, and the guide track in the background. The drummer doesn't need to hear the drums in the headphones.

I'm probably stating what you already know though! :)

Eck
 
ecktronic said:
Not sure if this helps, but all the drummer needs is the click track pretty dang loud, and the guide track in the background. The drummer doesn't need to hear the drums in the headphones.

I'm probably stating what you already know though! :)

Eck
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You'd be surprized how many engineers haven't figures that out yet.
 
ecktronic said:
The drummer doesn't need to hear the drums in the headphones.
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not neccesarily
Ive found that when drummers have headphones on they hit cymbals harder and drums softer due to hf loss, recently ive sent high passed overheads back into the headphones, it seems to work pretty well

ukpete, if you have a pair of earbuds with the rubber bits that go into the ear and a set of ear defenders you can reduce bleed pretty well ghetto style :D
 
Yeah, I'm thinking everyone is going the same place...the drummer needs to hear the "real time", tic-toc and the band. A mix out for him is probably whats needed. A send with lots of metronome, a heavy blend of the band and him pushed back just a bit.

Isolation headphones will help...everyone! Everyone should be wearing them if he's really whackin' the skins.
 
Impedence and watts are terms of electrical transfer for energy. They can't be used casually. Meaning, impedance requires information of the signal source delivery circuit design and the headphone input design. This doesn't effectively translate to terms of drummers and what they need to hear.

For headphone amps, cheap and effective, Behringer HA4700 works nicely.
 
guitarboi89 said:
ukpete, if you have a pair of earbuds with the rubber bits that go into the ear and a set of ear defenders you can reduce bleed pretty well ghetto style :D
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Yeah this is what I use and it works really well. A pair of ipod earbuds and some industrial strength ear muffs
 
Bulls Hit said:
Yeah this is what I use and it works really well. A pair of ipod earbuds and some industrial strength ear muffs
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Yea, assuming the guy wants to lose his hearing. :rolleyes:

guitarboi89: who says that super loud cymbals in contrast to soft drums are what's need? I find the opposite to be true most of the time. :confused:
 
guitarboi89 said:
not neccesarily
Ive found that when drummers have headphones on they hit cymbals harder and drums softer due to hf loss, recently ive sent high passed overheads back into the headphones, it seems to work pretty well
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I never thought of that, thats a good idea sending the hi passed OHs to the headphones.

Cheers,
Eck
 
IronFlippy said:
Yea, assuming the guy wants to lose his hearing. :rolleyes:

guitarboi89: who says that super loud cymbals in contrast to soft drums are what's need? I find the opposite to be true most of the time. :confused:
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Read guitarboi89s post again then you will see that yous both are looking for the same thing. :) Quieter cymbals and louder drums.

Eck
 
with the drummer in iso booth I use Sennhd280's with no mix-in problem, either click or live...is this a live all in one room situation? If you can get a good mix overall on the drums first and then bring up accompliment it fits together. If you're playing live tell the guitar players toturn down LOL :)
 
ecktronic said:
Read guitarboi89s post again then you will see that yous both are looking for the same thing. :) Quieter cymbals and louder drums.

Eck
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Wow, must've been drunk, my apologies. :o

I was completely wrong on both fronts. Eh, it happens to the best of us, and also to me too sometimes.
 
Micter said:
You'd be surprized how many engineers haven't figures that out yet.
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That's because it's not a good idea.

A drummer needs to at least hear the OH's so he can balance the relative volume of his kit. That is if he's good enough to be able to adjust his playing. The best Headphone setup I've used so far is HD280's and a Furmann headphone amp.
 
I use my AGK 240's for everything because that's all I've got. I really REALLY crank them, and they bleed on quieter parts, but it hasn't been too much of a problem. I've been meaning to pickup a pair of the extreme isolations...
 
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