recording live band

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im thinking of doing a live recording for my band just to see how it turns out and looks at ourselves from the outside and all that.....as condensers I already have 1 shure small diaphram condenser and used this last time...but i was hoping on zoning in an makin the over feel and sound closer if that makes sense.....

we're gonna be playing in a driveway, and the so called "stage" and where all the people will be standing will be about...12-15 feet wide x 18-20 feet long...

we have drums, 2 guitarists each with 60 watt 4 10" tube amps....and a bass with an extremely powerful amp and a equallay powerful PA system....thinking of putting the amp equal or slighty behind the drums, and angled in a bit so the band can hear everyone pretty much...and putting PA speakers slighty in fron of the singer and monitors at his feet and by the drummer...

last time i jst put up this 1 shure condensor....got a pretty decent sound...actually now that i think about it, it was probably more of our sound than the mics and the recordings....question is....how far/where should i put this mic....how hi? and sense guitar center is selling those octavas mc-012s for cheap (and i was gonna get the for drums, just not sure when) should i get those, and where should i put those, how far back/high?

thanks and please
 
I would put it bout head high, just infront of and out of reach of little fingers in the audience. It would give you a pretty good idea of what the audience is experiencing. You might want to make a sign regarding the purpose of the mic, I can not count how many times some dufus walks up with a anouncement and grabs the nearest mic, my recording mic, that subsequently isnt plugged into the pa. Then they look confused staring at the mic like the cant comprehend what is going on. Then of course they bang on it, you know, because that is the best way to make a mic work. Then they temporarily loose grasp of the english language when the drummer, me, is yelling from behind the kit to not use that mic, use one that the singers are using. Yeah a good big sign right at eye level helps. Stupid people!!!!!!!!
 
I have done this often

I use two mics. In the air placed so the pattern catches about 80% of the speaker stack, 20% stage sound. Seems to work out pretty good. You have to favor the speaker stack simply because that's where the vocals are.

If you can round up a couple of wide shotguns(60Degree) they work really well for this.
 
if the setup is like speakers are about a foot or so in front of the singer to prevent feedback, about how far out should i put them mic to not get too mch vocals and not too little?? kuz i dont want it to be like right in front of the singer or in the crowd....can it be after the crowd? about how far back?
 
Put a X/Y pair of SDC mic's about 7 foot high and about 15 feet in front of the band and aim the PA and etc at the mic's... then adjust the volumes until it sounds good.
 
you could use an identical sure condenser and mount them in a XY or ORTF pair to get a stereo image. You generally want the mic stand to be in front of the audience instead of behind it otherwise you will be picking up way too much crowd noise (as they will be closer to the mic than the band) If you are interested in just hearing what the crowd does rather than getting separate tracks for mixing a single stereo pair will do fine.
 
the only thing im worried about, is the stands and mic will just be obstructing the view of the performance

the "stage" were playing on isnt a riser...so were just on the ground and the crowd is level with us

is there any way of getting the mics more at the ground and pointing them up...next to the pa speakers to get leak for vcals and pointed at each side of the drum set to get guitars on each side

or....what can i do just to get the mics outta the way is the man question
 
Sure, anything is possible. Try different placements when you guys practice. See what happens.
 
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