recording bass

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im running my bass through my mixing board (MACKIE 1642 VLZ PRO) and then into the mixing board. its not very loud. is there any ideas anyone has on to make it sound louder/more thick?

THANKS!!!
 
Unless you're using a bass with active P-Ups, you need to use a DI box to convert impedances.

Something like a Radial JDI (which I use), an Aguilar, or a Countryman is excellent.
 
...or heck what about a bass amp? Does anyone do that anymore?
 
portability is the name of the game

bass amp....50+ lbs.....DI box <2 lbs.....not having an aching back from dragging that amp everywhere Priceless
 
jake-owa said:
...or heck what about a bass amp? Does anyone do that anymore?
Unless they've got a top-notch bass amp and bass, plus a good room to be able to mic it up in, for most home-rec'cers, I think they'll get better results with a DI....
 
if your close mic'ing the bass amp, which seems to generally be pretty much the norm, couldn't you throw the room out of the equation?

actually, wouldn't combining the DI with the mic'd input be more the norm?
 
the norm?

all i've ever seen is the DI or the bass head going to the DI unless the bass head has a DI out or something
 
Re: the norm?

distortedrumble said:
all i've ever seen is the DI or the bass head going to the DI unless the bass head has a DI out or something
In studios, it's a common practice to record both a Di and mic'd amp signal, but like I said above, IMO - for most DIY recordists, they're going to get more usable results going the DI route.
 
well then!

i must have been to the wrong studios....never seen that done..usually just one or the other and most of the engineers say "just plug it in the DI and I'll mess with it"
 
Re: well then!

distortedrumble said:
i must have been to the wrong studios....never seen that done..usually just one or the other and most of the engineers say "just plug it in the DI and I'll mess with it"
Likely because inavriably, the DI track is what makes it on the mix, although sometimes the amp sound will get blended for color... but anyways, even if all they take is a DI signal, it's real easy to reamp it afterwards anyways - if they need a mic'd amp sound.
 
Even though my Omni I/O has combo plugs that can accept both guitar/bass or lo-Z signals, I seem to get better results by putting my DOD 260 direct box in the chain and sending a lo-Z signal into the Omni.

Dunno why, but I do....

Blue Bear? Can you enlighten me?
 
guessing what blue bear would say

Blue Bear Sound said:
Unless you're using a bass with active P-Ups, you need to use a DI box to convert impedances.

i need to get a DI box myself actually
 
and while we're on the subject

wouldnt a preamp convert the impedance like a direct box?
 
A preamp expects a lo-Z device such as a mic, a guitar output is hi-Z....
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Unless they've got a top-notch bass amp and bass, plus a good room to be able to mic it up in, for most home-rec'cers, I think they'll get better results with a DI....
I find this to be a commonly accepted false premise.

If you have a bass amp that you like it will sound great in your recordings if you put some time into getting it set right in the room and micing it correctly. You don't need a perfect room or bass amp. I have a vox T-25 and senn 421 that sounds better than any DI setup I have ever heard....in any room I've tried.
 
Hey Jake!

Glad to hear (read?) someone sticking up for a low wattage bass amp (the T-25 is a 25W. Correct?). I have a Vox Pathfinder that I use for guitars and I was thinking of adding a T-25 for bass once my financial condition is a little more stable (and I've collected enough mic stands and cables).

As for what some have said about not being able to get a good miked cab bass sound in a typical home studio: isn't that what close miking, packing blankets and closets were invented for!? ;)
 
Actually, it's much more common than it used to be for a preamp to have high-Z inputs, including some of the best ones. In principle I agree with Blue Bear, but whether you need a DI box depends on how good your preamp's high-Z circuitry is. I've had good luck with bass into Joemeek twinQcs, and wonderful results into Avalon AD2022. If you don't have a good pre- consider Avalon U5. It's a great bass DI for about $500. Not bad for an Avalon.-Richie
 
mixmkr said:
if your close mic'ing the bass amp, which seems to generally be pretty much the norm, couldn't you throw the room out of the equation?

To a degree but the room if not treated properly will effect the sound. Unlike amping a E. Guitar the bass amp needs to be treated with care. Many engineers will place the amp in a "bass traped" room. It's usualy smaller and full of absorbent material. A closet at home that is treated in a similar fashion can be a great place for homers. I tend to prop the amp also on a small stool. That gives it a tighter sound and helps control the low freq's from going wild. I also place it against a wall facing the room making sure the sound can spread out. I stay clear away from the corner as much as I can for obvious reasons.

The key is the amount of distance between the mic and the amp.
o close and you'll miss out on the low rounded part of the sound.
To far and you'll have the room effect the sound and get a bassy boomy sound cause the higher freq's die out quicker (even before some reach the mic) then the lower, leaving you with a a muddy content. Another consideration is the amp itself. Is it a multiple identical speaker? Does it have multiple speakers covering different freq's? (in which case you you'll have to move the mic back to get the full content.


actually, wouldn't combining the DI with the mic'd input be more the norm?

It depends on how lazy the engineer is :). Life is so much more simple with a decent DI. A crappy DI will do more damage then good. Also a DI is a somewhat impotent as it is missing out on all the richeness an Amp can provide.

It's really a color issue. Do you need more high freqs and a cleaner sound so you DI or do you want more low and grit so you amp. But even then it isn't so simple. Whats the quality of the bass...it's pickups....the quality of the amp..can you control the crossover... sometimes a good bass with good pickups through a good DI is simply the better path.

Good engineers who do there work will do as you said, combine the two and mix accordingly. The flexability of the 2 tracks is way more important. There are even engineers who add a third mic for ambience.

Homers who decide to try experimenting with a mic should always remember to keep the level always the same no matter what position you put the mic in or the amp. Any change in level will change the sound.

Having said all that. . All things considered including - budget - time - I tend to DI a lot more then Amp. The person who has time to experiment either has a a huge budget or a lot of time on his hands with a patient client.
 
jake-owa said:
I find this to be a commonly accepted false premise.
Then you haven't dealt with a lot of my clients!

It certainly isn't a false statement from MY perspective - which is the only one I can speak from.... but thanks for trying to tell me what MY experience is, 'cos god knows you would know me better than I do, Jake..... :rolleyes:
 
off the top rope!

one of the safest routes to take in this forum is to start each post with "in my opinion" when you say what normal is....the guy next to you that, by your standards, isnt doing what normal people do will jump on ya and then we have a 100+ posting with 80 of them being arguments....now lets all gather around the bass guitar and sing kumbayah
 
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