Recommendations Please - Portable Digital for 'live' Radio Show Recordings

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Hi,
A couple of years ago I posted asking about ways to record two vocals and a stereo line in (CD player) simultaneously to GarageBand.

I was asking about this because a friend and I wanted to record a demo for a radio show in which we would be playing music on the spur of the moment (rather than having a set play-list ahead of time), and commenting on it.

At that time, one of the problems with trying to record this way was that my audio interface's (Presonus Firestudio) software mixer was not working. I also encountered a tremendous amount of noise generated by the RCA-to-1/4" adaptors that I was using to plug the CD player into the Firestudio, and this noise alone made plugging the CD player into the Firestudio an unrealistic way of inputing the line signal. A third problem was that trying to use iTunes as a way of cueing the CD took about 1 minute to load a 3 minute song, detracting significantly from the on-the-spur-of-the-moment nature of the way that we intended to record.

My friend and I are now revisiting the idea, but are thinking of recording the radio show in a different way, and we would welcome opinions, suggestions, questions and advice about this.

We still want to have two (separate, independent) vocal tracks, and the stereo line-in, but instead of going through the Firestudio into GarageBand, are now thinking of using a portable digital multi track, and then exporting the results to computer (probably via either USB or SD card).

The recorder doesn't have to be anything fancy; it doesn't have to have many effects - although reverb would be nice - but obviously it does need to be able to:
1. Record 4 tracks simultaneously (with the stereo pair of tracks going into one line input)
2. Because of the above, the recorder needs to have the ability to accept 1/4" and line-in inputs at the same time
3. Be able to export to a computer

I have only done a little research so far, and have not really seen anything that would be allow us to do this easily, but I might be misunderstanding some of the specs of the digital recorders I have read about; the main problem seems to be the inability to simultaneously record to line and 1/4" inputs.

This brings a question to my mind: I suppose that I could forget the need for a line input that records at the same time as the mic. inputs, and instead go out from the CD player (via the stereo RCA's) to two separate 1/4" mic. inputs on the front of the recorder (this would obviously mean that all the inputs - the 2 mic./vocals and stereo CD - would all be recorded into 1/4" inputs, and would all be recorded simultaneously).

My question about this is would this way of recording preserve the stereo signal from the CD player, or would I get two versions of the same mono signal?

Many thanks for any suggestions you can make.

gvdv
 
I'm confused by your terms. 1/4" mic inputs? Microphone are usually XLR. Line in inputs are 1/4" and mono. By "line in" do you mean RCA, or maybe headphone?

I love my Zoom R16. It has 8 inputs, each XLR or 1/4" line in. If you need output from a CD player or an mp3 player, you can get a cable that will turn 2 RCA or 1 headphone to 2 1/4" mono, which the Zoom will accept. It records to an SD card, which can later be imported into your computer. Also, it can act as an audio interface, bringing the audio directly into Garage Band or whatever software you are using.

It can run on batteries, and has 2 built in mics, and phantom power on 2 tracks.

I use it to record my band's live shows. I think it would work for your situation, but I also think you may be confused about what wxactly you need.
 
Oh sorry. If you had each of the 2 RCA outputs from your CD player go to 2 1/4" inputs on a recorder, those channels would be the left and right channels from the CD player. It would preserve the stereo. But again, mic inputs are XLR. 1/4" is line input.

This is a good reference to all the different (and confusing) cables: Everything you were Afraid to Ask about Cables
 
I'm confused by your terms. 1/4" mic inputs? Microphone are usually XLR. Line in inputs are 1/4" and mono. By "line in" do you mean RCA, or maybe headphone?

I love my Zoom R16. It has 8 inputs, each XLR or 1/4" line in. If you need output from a CD player or an mp3 player, you can get a cable that will turn 2 RCA or 1 headphone to 2 1/4" mono, which the Zoom will accept. It records to an SD card, which can later be imported into your computer. Also, it can act as an audio interface, bringing the audio directly into Garage Band or whatever software you are using.

It can run on batteries, and has 2 built in mics, and phantom power on 2 tracks.

I use it to record my band's live shows. I think it would work for your situation, but I also think you may be confused about what wxactly you need.

Hi geekd,
Many thanks for your replies.

And yes, of course, you're right - I was confusing two different types of physical connectors/inputs. I have no idea why I did that as I was thinking 'XLR' when I wrote '1/4"'.

So, apologies to you and others who may be reading this message for the confusion about this.

Thanks for the information about the Zoom R16 - I had briefly checked the Zoom portable digital recorders available, but hadn't really looked closely, so this is helpful. I have also had a closer look at the Boss BR-800.

Does the Zoom have the ability to use loops in any way? I am curious about this because I will be using a loop as a 'jingle' for the radio show, and it would be useful to be able to just click on/activate a loop at the appropriate time/times.

Thanks, once again for your replies.

gvdv
 
No loop capability that I know of.
Hello geekd,
Thanks for the reply.

I'm leaning towards the Zoom R16 now, primarily because of its Mac-based capabilities over the Boss BR800 (bundled software comes with the Zoom for Mac, but the BR 800 can only be used with PC), and more important to me, the Zoom records in .WAV format, whereas the BR 800's files have to be converted (which is just a recipe for another thing to go wrong in my opinion).

The Zoom can also work with MIDI, which is not true of the BR 800 as far as I know.

The only thing going for the Boss in preference to the Zoom, from my point of view is that it has a dedicated, 1/8" line in, which is useful for me.

I think that I'm going to start a separate thread for advice on purchasing either one of these.

Thanks, once again,
Gvdv.
 
If you are recording a radio show, a DJ type mixer with 2 mic inputs and 2 CD inputs would be the best thing to use, you could use a stereo line to USB interface between the DJ mixer and the computer.

DJ mixers have cue functions so you can cue one CD while the other is playing, and you will be able to talk over the CD if you need to.

I do a weekly radio show so I know how to do on the fly type CD playing and talking, a DJ style mixer will be the easiest to use.

Alan.
 
If you are recording a radio show, a DJ type mixer with 2 mic inputs and 2 CD inputs would be the best thing to use, you could use a stereo line to USB interface between the DJ mixer and the computer.

DJ mixers have cue functions so you can cue one CD while the other is playing, and you will be able to talk over the CD if you need to.

I do a weekly radio show so I know how to do on the fly type CD playing and talking, a DJ style mixer will be the easiest to use.

Alan.
Hi Alan,
Many thanks for this; I had not heard of DJ mixers, and will check them out right now.

Thanks, once again,
Gvdv.
 
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