Rearranging room, need some advice (renderings inside)

[talontsiawd]

Ok, so i have been using my bedroom as my studio. A room has opened up so i am going finally have a room purely for studio use. I plan to use the same room since it is the furthest away from everyone else (noise). Anyway, right now, my main problem has been the fact i couldn't do much acustically for it because i didn't have the space due to things i need to live here. Obvioiusly now i can work around it. I'm having a bit of trouble because of the odd shape of the room.


Here is what i'm working with right now (note-the ceiling is sloped starting around 7ft at the window to around 12 around the dor area, more or less)

My current accustic treatment are two 4in x 4ft x 4ft 703 pannels in the tricorners abover my desk and two 4in x 4ft x 8ft 703 pannels behind my moniters. This is because this is basically all the wall space i have at the moment

Room construction....Approximately 14x12.5ft. More or less. Sloping ceiling going from 7ft to about 11ft (highest part of the ceiling is at the top of rendering). Hardwood floor. All walls are insulated, drywall. 1 door, one window, one closet.


Ok, now for the rearrangement. I don't need a bed, bookshelf, any shelfing on the wall etc.


Lets start with what my actual uses are. I mostly create instrumentals so that is the priority, accustically. Pretty much mixing, etc. So i am defineatlly willing to build everything around the moniter location (since i now can as opposed to before). I also record vocals on a decent basis. I'm not sure it's worth my money financially to do much treatment as i don't record myself, nor do i have "clientel". So basically, monitering is of the upmost importance, and since i have only one room, that is the priority over any "vocal treatment".

My current problems i have...First, what is behind my left moniter is totally different from my right. I have that space in the door way area on the left, and a wall/corner on the right. Before, it was my only option space wise. Second, lack of area for treatment. I just couldn't fit it in. 3rd, my desk is at the high side of the sloping ceiling. I have been told this isn't optimal.


What i can/cannot do. I can move any of my furnature and existing treatment. Obviously or i wouldn't be rearranging . As stated above, i'm willing to do everything based on moniter location that is possible. What i can't do is any construction. I cannot change anything, make walls, etc. I cannont make a plug for the window (it faces the street). I only have about $500 max budget, so 703 pannels will probably be my best friend.

Anyway, sorry, long post, i'm just very excited to have a purpose built room so i want to deal with everything i can while most of my stuff is out. The is also a bit oddly shaped so it's hard to research when 90% of the information you find is for rectangular or square rooms.

 

[mshilarious]

Set your desk a couple of feet in front of the window such that the current closet and bed walls are symmetrical to your mix position. Put absorbers on each wall on either side of your mix position, and on the sloped ceiling above your head. Add panels in the back corners (retaining the one you have at the door) as bass traps.

 

[talontsiawd]

Yeah, thats what i was thinking more or less. Glass won't be a problem behind the moniters?

 

[talontsiawd]

So my guess is this would probably be the best set up interms of furnature accustically:

Let me know if that looks good. I'm hopping so because it also seems like the best use of space. It will be very convinient this way, i can put my record collect and shelving in the closet.

Now i have accouple questions still. I figure keep the 2 703 pannels in the tricorners like above. Now that will give me two extra 4inx4ftx8ft 703 pannels. I don't really see where i can put them and keep them symetrical. Also, i have material to build two more (and i could do more than that if need be). But in the back corner, i can fit one fine on the right, not on the left (desk being the front). And in front, if i wanted traps there, i could do both corners, one would overlap with the window but the wall is angled. I figure either way would have potenticial problems.

Then, what about the back wall, any real value putting two back there. Basically an 8x8 pannel (2 combined). I know this is recommend after the corners but i don't know how that works with a room that isn't symetrical.

Third, i can do any clouds really due to track lighting, well, i'll have to see when i the desk is in place. It will probably be right over my head but a bit infront. Still valuable?

What about the ceiling? Should i do the corners there?

And lastly, subwoofer placement. I don't use a sub to mix, just to refernece, where should i start.

Again, sorry for the long post, i'm excited first off. I'm a bit clueless since the shape of the room. And i just want to get it right.


Here is a black template if anyone is willing to take time to do a rendering (especially with traps, or any material, anything really, that would really help)

If you are so kind on doing a rendering and are showing traps, obvioiusly you don't need to put in other things. It's easier to see in two images.

Thanks in advance, last time i asked questions everyone was a tremedious help.

 

[bpape]

I'd go back to the way you had it. It provides better symmetry left to right and allows good bass absorbtion in both 'front' corners.

Bryan

 

[talontsiawd]

Yeah, well, since they are on the triconers they are around 5ft above my moniters. So them being in front, i don't really know if its advantagous.



What would happen if i used the "second" rendering and put bass traps on the corner wall (it would overlap with the wind slightly but no big deal. And then put a trap on the angled wall, which is 45 degrees. Would this help or hurt? I know that it would act differently than a corner wall so i assume that it probably wouldn't be good interms of symetry.


As for the "top wall" where the door is. I'm thinking that in the corner i'll put a trap and put another one on a stand that i can put infront of the door area, at the same place as the right one. Does this sound like a good idea.


Sorry, i'm just so confused how to deal with a non symetecal room and it's hard to find good info.

 

[mshilarious]

Can you put dimensions on the furniture? Is your desk really as big as a bed

 

[talontsiawd]

Can you put dimensions on the furniture? Is your desk really as big as a bed

Actually, pretty damn close. My bed is a bit wider though. It would extent to the desk with the turntables. But yeah, my desk is about 6 in shorter and but probably 2 ft narrower. It's big.


I can take measurements when i get a chance if it's critical. But i'd say it's fairly correct estimate.

I'm mostly concerned about treatment though. I figure outside monitering, futurature should matter much right? It's just going to be my desk, my other desk with turntables and a couch. That should be it. I'm going to use my closet for storage so the room should be pretty empty really.

So i can take measurements if crucial, even scan the blueprints to the room if its necessary. Again, treatment is the priority here.

 

[talontsiawd]

Ok, so i had a chance to work everything out this weekend. I set it up more or less how i had planned.

What i noticed so far, my speakers have defineatly improved on the low end. They sound similar, just a bit more low end. The highend seems to have fallen off a bit, i think it's more of an "aural illionsion" from the increased bass response.

Now i have extra 703 laying around but just don't know where to put it. The angled corner really has me confused if i can do anything in the front. My other problem is the room is too "live" right now. I don't have any futurature except my desks (both are fack wood, particle board) which obviously don't absorb sound much. What is the best way to deal with that?

 

[VSpaceBoy]

So you set it up how you originally had drawn, as as MsH told you to do it?

I would definatley go with his (or her? ) recommendation as drawn in your second furnished drawing with your mix position facing the window. This way angles the vaulted ceiling going away from the position.

Use the 703 starting behind and beside the monitors, and then above the mix position. Then, start hanging whatever 703 is left on the wall above the couch.

Then get a lava lamp.

 

[talontsiawd]

So you set it up how you originally had drawn, as as MsH told you to do it?

I would definatley go with his (or her? ) recommendation as drawn in your second furnished drawing with your mix position facing the window. This way angles the vaulted ceiling going away from the position.

Use the 703 starting behind and beside the monitors, and then above the mix position. Then, start hanging whatever 703 is left on the wall above the couch.

Then get a lava lamp.

Yup, that's the way, well mostly, i can do another rendering but since i haven't found seating, it's basically my desk and turntable like the drawing where everything is infront of the windows.

When you mean putting 703 behind and besides my moniters, well the beside part, do you mean like a 90 degree angle? Or just put what i can where i can in that area? I'm assuming the second.

Yeah, i think i'm pretty much on the right page. I was thinking a cloud (if i can get enough light (track lighting is sort of in the way, not bad) and just the back wall, depending on what i have left.

As for the "liveness" of the room, that's my other issue, i don't think the 703 will be enough. But again i don't have seating (which will be cloth couch or loveseat), etc, so maybe i shouldn't worry until i have that done.

Anyone want to give me a couch and deliver it to me

 

[VSpaceBoy]

When you mean putting 703 behind and besides my moniters, well the beside part, do you mean like a 90 degree angle? Or just put what i can where i can in that area? I'm assuming the second.

See my attached pic. The green is bass trapping if you can afford it ( superchuck method with 703 or rockwool) I would line the entire back wall entirely with 703 as you budget allows.

Yeah, i think i'm pretty much on the right page. I was thinking a cloud (if i can get enough light (track lighting is sort of in the way, not bad) and just the back wall, depending on what i have left.

As for the "liveness" of the room, that's my other issue, i don't think the 703 will be enough. But again i don't have seating (which will be cloth couch or loveseat), etc, so maybe i shouldn't worry until i have that done.

Yes, 703 or rockwool is EXACTLY what you need. It will evenly take out the liveliness and not just leave you with mud.

 

[talontsiawd]

Ok, now we are getting somewhere. That was sort of what i was invision but a bit better.

Unfortunately, i don't think i can make the superchunks, or atleast 3. That's the only problem with that design. Could i get away with using normal 703 pannels on those corners. THe only problem would be the one by the closet, not so sure what to do there? That's got me confused. Obviously that way makes sence, but it's a bit too much for me right now.

To start, i have enough 703 to make 3 pannels. I figue keep what i have on the back wall, do infront of my moniters and above me to start with. Does that sound good? This will probably be done in phases. It's just easier for me money wise but especially time wise.

 

[VSpaceBoy]

To start, i have enough 703 to make 3 pannels. I figue keep what i have on the back wall, do infront of my moniters and above me to start with. Does that sound good? This will probably be done in phases. It's just easier for me money wise but especially time wise.

I sounds good to me. The only difference I'd say is, use one over that odd corner by the closet as indicated by the yellow line in the pic. You'll have a bunch of weird reflections and build up from there. The fact that your ceiling has a pretty steep vault away from the mix station, I'd say wait on this one if you run out.

So in priority: Behind, beside monitors, first reflection points on the sides, backwall, then ceiling.

 

[talontsiawd]

Ok, cool, thanks man. I would assume i'd want to try to do that corner all the way from the floor to the ceiling right?

I actually have the pannels made for behind the moniters, and i should be building 3 more (what i have stashed in the garage) sometime in the next week. Then i plan to go from there as i can afford to do so.

 

[VSpaceBoy]

Ok, cool, thanks man. I would assume i'd want to try to do that corner all the way from the floor to the ceiling right?

Start with just taking care of first reflection points. Meaning at ear level or, whats bouncing into the ear. Going from floor to ceiling is good for bass trapping, but first things first.

 

[talontsiawd]

Ok, cool.

I just put some pannels I had behind my moniters tentatively and it made a good difference. I can't wait till the weekend to get started on more