"Real" Drums? Maybe

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Hi James, thanks again, I did right click and there is NO save as. (in Navigator)But it did download and I found it. I'll see if I can uncompress it now. OK, thanks for your help. I need it when it comes to this stuff.:rolleyes:
fitz
 
Great post Alan!

I'll never do it, but that was really interesting.

One thing though, if I may add. Please! Never delete your midi tracks once you think you've finished with them. Just label them clearly, mute them, assign no channel and get them out of sight!
 
I know I'm a little late, but my all time favorite drum track is "Message in a Bottle" by the Police. Brilliant. Stewart Copland is one of my favorite drummers for his understated coolness, and on that particular track he just got everything right.
"Come Together" by the Beatles is another song where the drums transcend just plain rythm and become an integral part of the song.

Want a great drum SoundFont? Try the BlueJay drums by Sonic Implants. $25, but well worth it.

Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
 
Siberian Khatru YES "Close to the Edge"


Bill Bruford is a monster with a bass, snare, and one riding tom, floor.
 
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! It worked Alan!!Thankyou, thankyou thankyou!
They sound like you said...REAL DRUMS, and I mean REAL! Tooo friggin good! I owe you one. Shit I owe you....lets see, oops, well I only have pocket change right now:D
Thanks again for your fantastic post!!
fitz:D
 
Actually, Alan has disappeared, he hasn't posted on this forum for a long time. His last post was on another forum back in July. I have sent him a PM to alert him to his new army of thankful forumites. Over the time I have been a member of this forum, a number of posts have been so helpful, I have saved em and passed em on. Alan's is one of them. A great post.;)
 
Oh, then my hats off to you Paul. Thanks so much for pointing me in the right direction and all your help. You helped answer questions #40322 to #40399!!:D Ok lets see,
ah, question #40321 comin up;) Hmmmmmmm, what forum for this one? Oh, the analog forum. See ya later. I'll be back.
fitz:) :)
 
I think a lot of what was originally described can be done in the DR-008 module. You can pick individual drum sounds of your choice, adjust volume level, pitch etc.

Doing this and getting the extra drum patterns for Session Drummer (which were recorded using a real drummer) was my first attempt at getting more realistic sound drums.

But alas, they still sounded too artificial. I have converted to drum loops. Particularly Performance Loops are great (see www.looplibrary.com). But there might be other great loops out there.

Dry Studio Kit (another choice) is okay, but you don't get enough. Only 248 genuine loops, 100 megs on the cd. The rest are the same loops at different tempos. The good thing about Dry Studio Kit is that you also get single shots and a midi version of the drum patterns. But comparing the two approaches to the same pattern finally convinced me that loops are so much better than midi.

With loops I find my drum track sounds as close to a real drummer as you can possibly get without recording one for the whole track.
 
Hello tombuur, when you say loops, are these .wav files? I'm very unexperienced in the nomenclature end of things. Or are they something like fonts. How do you edit them, or should I ask, what program do you bring them into?
I don't own a sampler if they are samples. A bit more enlightenment would help for those of us who are still amatuers at this stuff. Thanks alot.
fitz:confused:
 
Mafi Mushkalla!

Glad to be of help,

Just wish someone had spelled it out for me long ago.
The whole drum issue has always been a pain in the ass for me and a constant thorn in my side, this may not be perfect, but it’s a step in the right direction.

Just a thought:
Do you think a workshop section of the forum would be a good idea?
You know the kind of thing, where a moderator collects various good ideas and general basics on various themes and puts them all in one place for people to be referred to. This would be read only, with a separate section for feedback.

The key here being a thorough “step by step” approach of tried and trusted methods for all manner of things. We have some very smart cookies on this board, and over a period of time I’m sure we would have a pretty all encompassing database of the basics and good practice. This would be a first port of call for all newbies and a reference point for people who know the answer but don’t have the time to do a huge “step by step” response.

Your thoughts ????

Alan.

P.S.
Paul, thank you for your concern regarding my absence from the board and yes I did get your personal message, thank you for your kind words.
As you probably know via my profile, I am a British Ex-Pat living in Dubai UAE.
I tend to be on the move quite a lot with my business, (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Oman and all points in-between). My trips tend to last for weeks rather than days, hence my absence from the board.

Alan.
 
The whole drum issue has always been a pain in the ass for me and a constant thorn in my side,
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ME TOO! Soundfonts and their application or import into cakewalk and other apps continue to baffle me, but because of your help, its much clearer now. Thankyou, and BTW, welcome back.
Do you think a workshop section of the forum would be a good idea?
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Ablolutely. What can we do?
fitz
:D
 
It took me a long time since I could figure out how Ginger could do that kind of syncopation rythms. I couldn´t guess if he was playing snare-bass drum or snare-toms pattern. That´s why I downloaded the drum tabs and wow!!!. Things were more difficult that I could ever imagine. Finally I think I came out with a decent version of that tune. Thanks Ginger!! Lot of learning.
 
Ginger now lives in S.Africa raising horses. He hates the rock music industry and has gone back to his old love, jazz.
 
Rick,

Loops are small wave files that know at how many beats per minute (BPM) and at what pitch they were recorded. In case of drums pitch is irrelevant.

You insert them in audio tracks in Sonar (I have Sonar 2 XL). They will automatically adjust to the tempo. So even if the drummer was recorded at 80 BPM he will play at 100 BPM if that is what you use in your project. Furtermore, by pulling the loop you can make it repeat for as many bars as you want.

So you might have one loop with a length of one bar going "cheek-bob-bob". You can then repeat that for seven bars and insert another with a fill as the eighth bar going "ga-dang-dong-dong-ta-sheeeees". Hope you get the idea.

There are sample loops coming with Sonar 2 XL, if you have the original cd. Another program using this is Acid. They actually started this idea, so these kinds of loops are referred to as "Acidized". I only have an old version of Acid, but Sonar is so much better, since you can mix midi, audio and loops.

If you have loops of other things than drums, you may also change pitch. So a recorded guitar can be raised 5 semitones and still sound okay.

If you want to try out a few drum loops go to:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/loop_libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=486

Download the wave version and try it in a sonar audio track. There is a tutorial in Sonar about how to use loops.
 
Alright, thats what I like. Thank you again tombuur:D I get it now. Finally. Now, that gives me a lot of alternatives. Instead of my funky ole drum machine. Ha! My hats off to you sir.
fitz:)
 
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