Re-tracking drums with no click.....Not fun.

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Hey guys,

I'm almost finished a CD of 10 originals and 4 covers. So, I'm going through some of the "older" tunesr to either re-mix or re-track whatever needs to be done.

I had to re-track the drums for this one, but for some reason I couldn't get the click to sync up perfectly. Maybe it's because I originally tracked this on my 2488 and I'm now working in REAPER. It shouldn't be a problem, but for some reason it was.

So, anyway, I had to re-track without a click, which wasn't that much fun, especially since there are a few stops and holes in this one.

So, I need to know how this sounds overall, but especially the drums. The levels might be out of wack, too, since I've been listening to drums in my headphones all day, so my ears might be in left field.

Any help is always appreciated.

Thanx.

A SONG
 
I kinda wish you hadn't mentioned the click thing because I'm focussed on it like hell now.

I don't imagine anyone would have known without a heads up though.

When the groove's going it's definitely tip top. Maybe the leading double-kicks in the verse stand out a little bit the odd time, but really, I don't even think I'd be saying that without the advanced warning.

I said before I find your kick to be pretty upfront though, so in honestly, that might be all I'm hearing.

Other than that, pure RAMI.....Tight as fook.
Cracking guitars and vox as always.


BTW. Ever reverse engineer a click to a track?
Sometimes with acoustic guys I'll record a scratch then fabricate a varying click to it.
It means they have something solid to follow, but the natural variations in timing are kept.
If you ever need any done I'd be glad to help.(Duno how handy it is in your software.)
 
I didn't hear any timing issues anywhere. My only drum-nit is the kick. It's doing that syncopated thing in the verses. And since it's so strong in the mix, it kind of sticks out there. When it's on-beat, it doesn't bug me.

I thought everything else sounded great.
 
OK thanx a lot guys.

So, that kik sticks out a bit much in the verses? OK, I can automate that down in volume a bit. It's pretty much playing by itself there, with no bass, so I can see how it would seem to stick out there.

Much appreciated , dudes. :cool:
 
Yup. Listened again today, and that bass drum hit me. I knew I'd lose pespective after recording and mixing drums all day. I was able to bring it down a good 3db without it being too low....I think. :eek:

Thanx guys.
 
Steenamaroo said:
BTW. Ever reverse engineer a click to a track?
Sometimes with acoustic guys I'll record a scratch then fabricate a varying click to it.
It means they have something solid to follow, but the natural variations in timing are kept.
If you ever need any done I'd be glad to help.(Duno how handy it is in your software.)
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I thought about trying to figure out how to do it. I couldn't figure out how to work the Tap Tempo in REAPER, so I just said screw it, I'll try to play along to the other tracks, like I would in a band, and it wasn't fun but it was do-able.
 
Fair enough man.
Both ways work, but yours takes much more skill. ;)
 
RAMI CD coming soon - cool! that'll be #4 in my RAMI discography.
Kick/bass drum...I think you may have overcomepensated just a tiny bit. It's not hitting me in the fchest quite like in the other sections.
Great track.
 
Sounds great Rami - nice crunch on the guitars, and drums make this song really rock! Sounds like your masterin skillz are good too - nice and loud...:D
 
rayc said:
RAMI CD coming soon - cool! that'll be #4 in my RAMI discography.
Kick/bass drum...I think you may have overcomepensated just a tiny bit. It's not hitting me in the fchest quite like in the other sections.
Great track.
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Thanx Ray.

Throw out the first 2.....please!? And when I send you the next one, throw out the third one, too. :D

OK, I think I have to automate the kik in this song, which I never do. Right now, it seems that if it's good for the sparse verses, it's not good for the more dense parts, and vice versa. I'll play around with it and post a new version tomorrow, or maybe tonight if I'm still up.
 
Drums hurt... I work on drum tracks for weeks. And still my drums are usually just "OK." I don't use loops, I play them (midi)And then edit the snot out of them. But the drums and the bass are the heart "and soul" of the music...

You know, it took a long time to download this? You may want to reconsider the download and try using a streaming site?

I like your tune. Like the way it stopped and then started again, "sink-0-pated..."

The drums sound good to me? I would "spank" that snare a little more. More "snap?" And a little more verb/decay.

The guitars and bass sound great, and the vox, but the drums need a little more room IMO. But what the hell do I know? :-)

Good tune.
 
ido1957 said:
Sounds great Rami - nice crunch on the guitars, and drums make this song really rock! Sounds like your masterin skillz are good too - nice and loud...:D
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Thanx Ido.

This tune is going to be buried somewhere in the CD, 8th or 9th song. It's not that strong a song (in my opinion), but I think it's good enough to make the cut. :)
 
RockinRobby said:
You know, it took a long time to download this? You may want to reconsider the download and try using a streaming site?
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You say that every time I post a song. :D Others say they can stream it right away, so it might be a browser issue.

The drums sound good to me? I would "spank" that snare a little more. More "snap?" And a little more verb/decay.

The guitars and bass sound great, and the vox, but the drums need a little more room IMO. But what the hell do I know? :-)

Good tune.
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Thanx. That's cool. I actually had more verb on the drums, but thought it might be too "80's" sounding. I'll definitely play with it and see if I can get more room on them.

Thanx a lot RR.
 
Listen to the snare in Soft Truths. I think Mark did a great job with it. That's what I'm talking about, "right there..." But opinions are like noses? Everyone has one? And mine smells...
 
RockinRobby said:
Listen to the snare in Soft Truths. I think Mark did a great job with it. That's what I'm talking about, "right there..." But opinions are like noses? Everyone has one? And mine smells...
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hehe...No man, opinions are all that matter. Opinions are the reason I post my tunes here, and every one is valid. I'm with you on the drums. I have no problem turning drums up. :D
 
Sounds pretty good Rami.
I actually didn't hear any timing issues with the drums.
The guitars right at the beginning sounded a bit off though. I think they slowed down a bit from the intro. There's also some weird flub-sounding noises when it's just the guitars. I wonder if that might be phase interference?

The bass could come way up on the bridge when it's playing solo.

Otherwise, I've got no problems with the mix.
 
RAMI said:
I thought about trying to figure out how to do it. I couldn't figure out how to work the Tap Tempo in REAPER, so I just said screw it, I'll try to play along to the other tracks, like I would in a band, and it wasn't fun but it was do-able.
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I haven't figured out the tap tempo in Reaper either. Come to that, I never figured it out in Logic either.

However, what I have done in Reaper is either (and sometimes both), remap the tempo to the song or stretch or compress the track to fit the tempo.

With remapping, I just go through the track, and add tempo changes so that the bars line up with the beats in the track.

Going the other way, I set the tempo, but split the track, then use ALt-Click to drag the ends of the split tracks to make the beats line up with the bars.

Either way, it allows a click that you can then follow afterwards
 
VomitHatSteve said:
Sounds pretty good Rami.
I actually didn't hear any timing issues with the drums.
The guitars right at the beginning sounded a bit off though. I think they slowed down a bit from the intro. There's also some weird flub-sounding noises when it's just the guitars. I wonder if that might be phase interference?

The bass could come way up on the bridge when it's playing solo.

Otherwise, I've got no problems with the mix.
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Thanx a lot VHS. Yes, I've worked on the bass and kik in the last few days. I think it's better now, but I realized how much things can change in less than a year. I can't believe how much "cleaning up" I had to do on this tune. Most of the tracks were recorded about a year ago, and it's like I recorded them 10 years ago., my tracks are so much cleaner and consistent now. It was actually an eye-opener on how much better I'm doing things now.

Thanx a lot. :cool:
 
gecko zzed said:
I haven't figured out the tap tempo in Reaper either. Come to that, I never figured it out in Logic either.

However, what I have done in Reaper is either (and sometimes both), remap the tempo to the song or stretch or compress the track to fit the tempo.

With remapping, I just go through the track, and add tempo changes so that the bars line up with the beats in the track.

Going the other way, I set the tempo, but split the track, then use ALt-Click to drag the ends of the split tracks to make the beats line up with the bars.

Either way, it allows a click that you can then follow afterwards
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Steenamaroo said:
Good call, Gecko.
That's just how I do it in Pro Tools.
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Thanx guys. I'll keep all that in mind if I ever run into this problem again. :cool:
 
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