Question about the JOe Meek 3Q?

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Can somebody explain to me the two outputs, and the mix input?

The hookup diagram has one ouput going to a monitor system, the other output going to the recorder, and then the recorder going back into the mix input SO you can monitor both what's being recorded and what is playing back. Basically monitoring without a mixer.

HOWEVER, what keeps the mix input from going back out the output to the recorder and thus making a continous loop? There is no distinction between the two outputs as far as I know. What goes out one, I think goes out the other.

Any help?
 
I believe it is the same setup (I/O) as my MQ3, its predecessor. Let's try this...what is it you want it to do? ...and then I can help without getting into reciting the manual to you online.
 
Seeker of Rock said:
I believe it is the same setup (I/O) as my MQ3, its predecessor. Let's try this...what is it you want it to do? ...and then I can help without getting into reciting the manual to you online.
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Yeah, I want to be able to hear the music I'm recording to, PLUS the music/vocals I'm recording, at the same time through the same sound source. I don't have good latency so I just can't have my computer play it all back live, and I don't have an external mixer to send the computer and the pre out to to be mixed together.

In a diagram of the 3Q, pg. 12 (on their website if you want to look), I'll explain what it shows:

Output 1: Goes to a monitor system.
Output 2: Goes to the recorder (computer)

Mix input: The line out from the recorder (computer) goes back in here - then supposebly goes out OUTPUT 1 to the monitor system ALONG with whatever is being put through the pre in the first place (eg. me singing)

Thus I can hear what I'm recording (me singing) at the same time with the music I'm singing to through one monitor system.

MY PROBLEM however, is what keeps the MIX INPUT from going out OUTPUT 2 (as well as OUPTUT 1)? Obviously if the MIX INPUT goes out OUTPUT 2, I've created a continuous loop with the preamp and the recorder.
 
So you are using this as a 2 buss compressor more than a front end recording channel, correct?
 
Just looked at the manual, and it is pretty vague... but I'd have to reason that you are correct... you'd set up a feedback loop if you tried to use this for zero latency monitoring (it's not designed for that)... and everything you send to the mix input would be on both outputs of the 3q. You'd wind up recording your entire mix onto the new track...
 
MOFO Pro said:
Just looked at the manual, and it is pretty vague... but I'd have to reason that you are correct... you'd set up a feedback loop if you tried to use this for zero latency monitoring (it's not designed for that)... and everything you send to the mix input would be on both outputs of the 3q. You'd wind up recording your entire mix onto the new track...
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Right, that is what I've concluded, but if you look at the diagram in the manual, that is exactly what it shows you to do, and then says something about not needing a mixer anymore.
 
They're referring to a live situation where you want all signals present at the output of the last device. The mix input is not processed, but only combined with the output signal.

The only way I see this working is if the mixed output is only on output one, it's not documented... but I'd try it... you'll know pretty darn sure if that's not the case...
 
Yes I'm sure I'll know when I try. I really think they are referring to a recording setup though. It even says: "The usual application for this is overdubbing in simple recording setups"

It also says: "The recorder output is fed to the mix input for monitoring and overdubbing."

Perhaps Alan from Joe Meek would know. Anyway to get his attention?
 
Its an interesting idea...

I never had any use for it so I never bothered to figure it out. Seems a little gimmicky or oriented to those without any other mixing options, but I suppose if someone had a setup that could use it then it would come in handy.

I took one look at it, said "Why would I mix in this little green box?" and forgot about it. (shrug)

-Chris
 
cactuseskimo said:
Can somebody explain to me the two outputs, and the mix input?

The hookup diagram has one ouput going to a monitor system, the other output going to the recorder, and then the recorder going back into the mix input SO you can monitor both what's being recorded and what is playing back. Basically monitoring without a mixer.

HOWEVER, what keeps the mix input from going back out the output to the recorder and thus making a continous loop? There is no distinction between the two outputs as far as I know. What goes out one, I think goes out the other.

Any help?
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The dual outputs are there to feed other inputs. For example. You may be using the threeQ as your live vocal mic amp for on stage(works great for that with a SM58...try it). You can feed one output to the house mix, and one to a monitor mix, or recorder. As a live Bass DI, feed your stage amp, and the house mix... In a coffee house, feed the house system, and then feed a personal monitor like a Hotspot for yourself. You can do anything you want with it, it is just a second output to send anywhere.

The Mix input is a second input that is not controlled by the input gain, compressor, or eq, but is controlled by the output gain. So, lets say you are doing a single in a coffee house, you are singing into the mic, using the compressor and eq for that, and then plug your acoustic guitar into the mix in. The guitar should have a built in pre, or use an external pre/POD device... Then balance the volume between the two by using the guitar volume on your guitar or pre and the input gain for the mic on the threeQ. Now you kind of a 2X1 mixer if you will. Then you feed one output to the PA, and the other to your monitor.

The mix input is cool for that application, or just for practicing by inserting your guitar hooked into a POD or other similar device, and then sing along. So the mix input is a post gain, post compressor, post EQ, pre output gain staged input...
 
Okay, thanks Alan. However, is that not in fact a feedback loop shown in the manual then on the setup diagram?

It has an output going to the recorder, but also has the recorder going back to the meek in the mix output (which should go back out the output -which the recorder is hooked up to)

Isn't that a feedback loop?
 
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