processor and heatsink problem..

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hey guys any of you know alot about processors and heatsinks?? I just purchased a new processor and heatsink and IDIOT of me put it in the good way but then i took the heatsink of and messed up the thermal pad on sink... SO now i scraped all that thermal pad from heatsink and I think i need to buy a new one right? I got the AMD processor 2200+ and a heatsink that came with it. I should also clean processor right? what solution should i use? and should i get a THERMAL PAD or that GEL/compound thing? anybody knows where can i get the THERMAL PADS? AMD recomends pads instead of those gels..
 
Using thermal gel is fine, so long as you know your heatsink is flush with your processor.

Arctic Silver III (or I or II) is the most preferred, but even cheap "thermal gel" from RadioShack will do the job just fine for most people.

My suggestion: Remove the heatsink again (if you put it back on). Scrape any remains of the thermal pad from the heatsink. Clean the bottom of the heatsink with Alcohol or Acetone. Place some fine grit sandpaper (400 grit or finer) on a flat surface (piece of glass, flat counter top, etc.), sprinkle the sandpaper with water, and then sand the bottom of the heatsink flat using a circular motion, and making sure to keep the heatsink flat during the motion (keep it from "rocking"). You should be able to tell just by looking what part of the heatsink bottom has been sanded flush, and which parts haven't contacted the sandpaper yet. Keep working on it until the entire bottom is polished fairly smooth (doesn't have to be mirror or anything, just flat and smooth, no big scratch or machining marks).

Clean again with Alcohol or Acetone, clean the CPU core with Alcohol or Acetone, apply a thin layer (using a credit card or something similar to spread it even) of the thermal compound/gel directly to the CPU core, and replace the heatsink.

Should do the trick.
 
hy thanks man...so i apply the gel on cpu or the heatsink? i went on the Arctic silver website and it says to first apply on heatsink then clean it off and then put a little bit on the CPU.. is that the way? Somewhere else it said NOT to put it on the CPU ..i am confused now..=o) what if i apply a little bit too much then suppose to and lock the sink..will that do something bad to the processor? ?
 
Applying a bit to the heatsink and then "cleaning that off" will help fill up any pores and voids left in the heasink surface. Probably doesn't hurt, but it's pretty wasteful, unless you can "scrape" off the excess and reuse it.

Here's the lowdown on applying thermal grease: it's usually slightly capacitive or conductive (or both), so you want to keep it off of any resistors or "bridges" that are exposed around the core of your CPU. In the case of your AMD XP processor, this is especially important, since it has several of those types of things exposed.

The logic behind applying to the heatsink and not the CPU is that it's easier to apply a thin layer to the bottom of the heatsink, and if you mess up (don't know how, but...) you can always clean it easily and try again. When you apply thermal gel directly to the core, you run the risk of either (A) not spreading it thin enough and having too much on there, resulting in a lot of "squeeze out" that, if you're unlucky, could touch something sensitive and cause problems, or (B) in the process of trying to spread out a thin layer, you could "scrape" some excess off on the edges of the core, resulting in a buildup around the core that is difficult to fully clean up, even with Acetone, and could cause the same problems as the excess "squeeze out."

The logic behind applying to the core instead of the heatsink is pretty simple: How do you know where the core will touch the heatsink until it's actually in place? The result is that you have to cover a much larger area on the heatsink to make sure you "get the right spot," and in turn waste a lot of thermal compound. By applying directly to the core, you use a very small amount of compound, and one tube lasts forever.

So long as you are careful, use the thermal compound sparingly, and work from the center of the core to the edges, it is perfectly safe to apply directly to the core. It doesn't waste as much gel, and in the long run will not be as messy.
 
For cleaning the heatsink surface I would stick to just using solvent like alchohol or acetone as Bigus Dickus suggests. I wouldn't sand it in anyway though. Use your fingernail to remove and loosen the remaining pad and liberal amounts of solvent with paper towels till you get the surface surgical clean again.

I put a little dap of thermal grease on my finger and apply that to the top of the core on the CPU, reasonably thin application. Sometimes doing small circular motion can help to spread it evenly on such a small surface. You can also apply it to the heatsink surface instead, it can be easier to spread that way.

You will be able to tell how thick it is, you don't want half an inch of the goo on there, more like paper thin, credit card thin. If you think you put too much, or too little on, clean it off and try again.
 
You'd be surprised just how "unflat" a machined or extruded heatsink surface can be. Sanding doesn't hurt anything, so long as you're using a fine grit paper and not removing much material.

CPU temperatures can drop by a degree or two just by sanding your heatsink. :)
 
btw, you might take the opportunity to replace that fan with something quieter! I know the fan that came with my AMD proc was loud as shit. I replaced it with a coolermaster low noise fan and what a difference!
 
If you can sand the surface as flat as a machined one, more power to you. If the surface is that obviously screwed up, I'd get another heatsink and be done with it.
 
I guess flat isn't a good term. It's not always the "flatness" so much as surface finish. Typical milling marks or extrusion marks are going to be 2 to 4 RMS or so. A decent sanding can give you 32 RMS pretty easily. The less micro-grooves there are for the thermal compound to fill, the better the overall heat transfer coefficient.
 
sweetnubs proclaims bigus dickus to be correct. his nub is probably bigger than yours. lap the heatsink just like he says. usually i use a razorblade to get a nice thin and even spread. artic silver will get you a decent temperature drop. efficient heat transfer is the name of the game. also having a cool case is important. the heat being drawn from the cpu still needs to exit the case. sweetnubs takes off his side panel and covers the opening with plexiglass. then nubjob blows smoke into the intake fan and watches the smoke circulate. nub prefers kind smoke. from the whispy tails of superkind smoke you can judge where to position your fans. (in conjuction with temperature monitoring) people don't realize high temps can cause quite a lot of system instablities, corrupted files, etc. i recomend full tower cases. small cases get really hot, especially if you are using amd. if your fans are making too much noise a simple fix is to get some of those stick on felt pads and put them between your fans and the case. instant sound dampening for the busy jet set type who doesn't have a machine room. automotive soundproofing mats can work pretty good too. careful with that heatsink. even though i feel confident installing heatsinks i still pay my local store to install the heatsink onto the cpu. cores can break pretty easily. motherboards can crack. i then take the assembled motherboard/cpu/heatsink combo home and finish the pile of junk myself. it doesn't cost much and if they break it you don't have to pay for another cpu/motherboard.

p.s. who says analog takes more time maintaing than computers?
 
don't use your fingers to spread the compound! lots of dead skin cells, dirt, etc will fall off and contaminate the compound! be as clean as possible, and always use a lint-free cloth when possible. (you know, the kind that you get to to clean glasses).
 
Just to comment on bitterballs' breakthrough methods...

Watching smoke isn't going to tell you jack schitt. Once a fan is inserted into the system, you've switched from natural convection to forced convection, with a different chamber geometry to boot. Bottom line - complete waste of time. Another ametuer trying to pass themselves off as a professional computer technician! Leave that work to the pros. :) (p.s. - don't leave it to the pros, do the installation yourself... with care there should be no problems).

Oh, and the new PIV systems have a higher TDP and average power output than the new AMD chips. So much for AMD being hotter...
 
bigus asses, when you blow the smoke in you can see where your hotspots are. if the smoke be not moving and shit that is your hotspot. it's nice to know where they are and to get rid of them. reposition fans until they go away, m'kay. overall case temperature doesn't give you accurate readings about specific spots in your case. those little traces on your motherboard like to burn out, especially if they are near your cpu. it isn't too expensive to replace a motherboard but it shure consumes a lot of time figuring out what in the hell is broken. temperature probes on your cpu, gpu, and hard drives are nice too. yep, the new p4's are pretty hot. all the amd stuff is hot.
 
If you're talking about blowing smoke up my ass with fans in there, then yeah, I could see some use in that. Your post for some reason read to me like you did that before you put any fans in the case, which sounded rather useless. Personally though, I know where my "hot spots" are without watching smoke floating around. They are the CPU, GPU, chipset, RAM, HDD's.... :D
 
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