pod vs j station

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looking for a used modeler on ebay, it looks like a toss up between the Line 6 POD 2.0 and the Johnson J-Station. One plus for the J-Station is that it can be used with a bass as well while the POD is guitar only. (unless you buy a bass POD)
 
Another plus for the J-Station (I have one) is the S/PDIF output.

TONS quieter than running a 1/4" line to your mixer.
 
If you are using it just for recording then you might want to check out the Line 6 Guitarport. It has some really convincing models and to me it sounds much better than the Pod 2.0 or the J-station which are both good units. It also can be used with a Bass.
 
I own the J-station and I must honestly say I'm not too impressed. It may or may not be better that the POD.

I just find it always seems like the guitar track you record is under a blanket or something. No top end sparkle or depth. I've only found three or four tones that I can say are passable (and even then, I usually have to turn the treble up all the way). The tones just have a hard time sitting in the mix.

In a pinch? Yes, Like I said I've gotten a few tones that I use when the material is not that important (like demo songs to be sent to other band members or something). The real winner for a unit like this is just time saving, and less annoying than setting up your amp and mic, and also having to worry about noise levels.

BTW, the j-edit software is very nice. It's like having a whole rack on your computer. Very easy to work with.

NOW, where I do reccomend this box is for bass tones. It's so much easier to get a good bass tone out of this instead of trying to go direct. That and the effects are decent as you can use it as just as an effects box by bypassing the modelling.

Anyway, if it wasn't for the bass modelling, I would probably try a POD next time around.
 
Blues, Jazz, Rock, Alt, Folk, uh.................That's about it.

Has anyone else experienced the lack of high end that cactuseskimo mentioned?
 
I have used both extensively. I own the JStation, and the studio has had 3 different guitar PODs over the years.

I don't care for the POD too much.

I like how the JStation has bass amps.

There is a update to the JStation that added some great sounding emulations.

I agree that any of these units don't have much "sparkle" right out of the box. I found thought that you can make them sound a little more like a real amp simply by recording them with a little of their own reverb on.

On the JStation, I use the "Studio" reverb. I actually use quite a bit of it. It really helps make the guitar sound more realistic.

One things that rawks about the JStation is the JEdit software. You can get at more parameters than on the unit inself. It is totally worth it to hook it up to your computer via midi to use this software to edit the patches!

I would say I favor the JStation in an overall way. The POD sounds "different". Neither unit sounds "better" than the other in my opinion, just different.

Good luck.
 
VTgreen81 said:
Blues, Jazz, Rock, Alt, Folk, uh.................That's about it.

Has anyone else experienced the lack of high end that cactuseskimo mentioned?

Recording from my Line 6 POD Pro (not xt, its the rack version of the 2.0) it sounds muffled and lacking high-end "sparkle" with the cab models activated (studio mode) and horrible with the cab emulator dis-engaged (live mode).
The live mode sounds thin and horrible even when going through my power amp and Peavey cabinet w/scorpions, so I always use studio mode and gave up on trying to record direct.
I get better results just throwing a cheap condensor in front of my cab than trying to go direct, so.... food for thought I guess. I would post examples if I could get off my workstation right now.
 
and in addition to that..........

Ford Van said:
I have used both extensively. I own the JStation, and the studio has had 3 different guitar PODs over the years. I don't care for the POD too much.I like how the JStation has bass amps.There is a update to the JStation that added some great sounding emulations.I agree that any of these units don't have much "sparkle" right out of the box. I found thought that you can make them sound a little more like a real amp simply by ecording them with a little of their own reverb on.On the J Station, I use the "Studio" reverb. I actually use quite a bit of it. It really helps make the guitar sound more realistic. One things that rawks about the JStation is the JEdit software. You can get at more parameters than on the unit inself. It is totally worth it to hook it up to your computer via midi to use this software to edit the patches! I would say I favor the JStation in an overall way. The POD sounds "different". Neither unit sounds "better" than the other in my opinion, just different. Good luck.
I owned a Johnson J-Station for 3-4 years? until this past November and thought is was a great unit. :) It has some really nice sounds!!!!
Of course, soon after I bought mine they came down in price. :( I actually ran it via spdif for awhile into a digital roland mixer and into my Alesis Monitors and the sound was awesome. Much better than analog:cool: Running it via an Uno midi to USB cable gave me access to the J-Edit program on my computer which was great for doing deep level editing easily.
I sold it to my nephew for $75 who loves it. Probably should have kept it :o
Surprisingly, :rolleyes: Santa brought me a PODxt which is a very nice unit but is requiring me to edit sounds to add the "sparkle" mentioned above.
Using the POD GuitarPort function gives me the same access to parameters as using the J-Edit. The Fender Bassman is the only bass amp on the xt but I believe I can add those for extra $$$.
However, if you can get a J-Station in good working condition for not a lot of bucks, it would be a nice addition to your toolbox.
BG/HSG
 
I have owned both a POD 2.0 and a J-Station for about 4 years. The J-Sation can be a "better" sounding unit if you have the software and learn how to use it (and the digital out can be a welcome feature for those who embrace that side of technology). However, it is very limited as a stand alone unit (if you buy a used J-Station make certain you will be getting the software).

I prefer the POD mainly because it is easier to use without editing software (although for deep use you do need to use the POD software) - Candidly, I think you can get plenty out of the POD without the software.

I purchased the POD and J-Station because I didn't have any decent amps and would not have known how to dial up good tone even if I did have amps (my main axe is drum kit, followed bu jeys). During the last couple of years I have purchased, rented and/or borrowed various amp/cabs/combos and little by little I am learning what so many have said since the start of emulation - the emulators simply do not sound as good, as punchy, as articulate (chosse your own words) as well mics cabs. And I was always willing to speak in support of emulation.

The lack of brightness, sparkle, depth, mentioned earlier in the thread - is what is wrong with emulators. With a certain amount of tweaking you can dial more tone in, but it still ain't a real amp. Note: I have run my POD/J Station though a BBE "sonic maximizer" and it has made a world of difference (I worked with a real good guitar player who used a BBE in his live rig and I was very impressed with his sound = so I tried one in my guitar "recording chain).

I still think emulators have a place - in particular for people who can't blast a cab do to young children or worse, old neighbors. I use emulation more than real amps - mainly because I live in a condo - but lack of shimmer in the recorded tracks is a very real potential concern.
 
I have a pod xt, and I have to say I like it. This "elusive shimmer" that people are missing confuses me, I guess. ;) Then again, I've always played my Twin with all the EQ knobs at "6", so I was never into "shimmer" much. None of the preset amp models sound that great, but The Fender Bassman model sounds more like my Vintage Twin than my Vintage twin when I mic it. (if that makes any sense.)
 
I have both, and found the best way to do it is to split your signal and run into both modelers at the same time. Bring the outs into a mixer and pan the POD hard left and right and the J-Station at 10 and 2, and adjust the levels of each to your taste (I run about 60% POD and 40% J-Station). You will get some killer sounds. All the presets suck on both...go to the websites for each and you will find some really good patches and then adjust them to your liking. Both have had firmware and software upgrades and you can get them from their websites also. Check out my link below and you can hear my newest cd that I recorded as described above. I've done it for 5 releases now and get a lot of compliments on my tone. I also have my main patches that I have designed for my use available for download on my site.
Peace,

Johnny Lokke
http://cdbaby.com/cd/thenewbreed2
http://www.johnnylokke.com
 
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