please compare a Revox A 77 and a TASCAM 32

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Ok heres the deal, have to chances to get one 2 track

a revox a 77 , seller claims its been recently serviced

and a tascam 32 with dbx unit , from a techs shop

pros and cons please...
 
Ok heres the deal, have to chances to get one 2 track

a revox a 77 , seller claims its been recently serviced

and a tascam 32 with dbx unit , from a techs shop

pros and cons please...

My plan is to master from daw and from tascam 388 ...
 
Tough call. The '32 will almost certainly be a more recent machine unless it's a very early TEAC-branded '32 and a very late Revox.

The '32 will definitely be a high-speed machine, capable of 7.5 ips and 15 ips (the latter speed is generally considered studio quality), but the Revox might only be 3.75 and 7.5 unless it was factory-modded to 15.

Also, the A77 may or may not be 2-track stereo. If it's 4-track stereo it uses half the width of the tape for both channels which means you can flip the tape over and record on the other side. Many consumer machines do this, but pro machines use the whole width of the tape for higher quality. The A77 was available in both formats.

If the A77 is a high-speed, 2-track stereo machine it'll be a tough choice. The Latter models of TASCAM 32 used a digital tape counter and could do return-to-zero which is dead handy. The A77 has a belt-driven mechanical counter which can be a pain. (I've used a '32 and a B77, for what it's worth)

However, the transport is simpler on the A77 and has less to go wrong. The '32 has a damper mechanism made from pieces of string which tends to break - this makes the tape pack go kind of messy of you're doing a fast wind, and it probably increases flutter on the recording, though I never noticed it on mine. The Revox just uses springs.

The DBX unit might be a plan, it depends what you're thinking of doing. If you want to make high quality master recordings, they're probably worth getting. If you want to archive the recordings maybe not, since you would then need to have a working DBX in future which might be harder to come by.
If you're trying to get 'that tape sound' by slamming the levels, you don't want to use the DBX.

That may help...
 
I have a broken B-77 here (I might get around to fixing it one of these days). The 32 would be a better machine if you are going to do a fair amount of editing (cutting and splicing) because the heads are harder to get to on the B-77. I don't recall if the A-77 is the same format though (in looking at a Googled picture, I see that it is the same, with the heads somewhat recessed). I am a fan of DBX, BUT, the problem is that you would have to have a DBX unit to use it for playback. If you are sending tapes off to others you probably wouldn't want to use it. I have always felt that DBX should be used in the multitrack process, but not for the final mix because of compatibility. Good points from JP in checking the head format and speeds. Most A-77's were low speed 1/4 track machines (including my B-77), not a good idea for mastering. Revox is well known for having good geometry on their heads with much less head bump than Tascam machines. Overall, I think I would do the 32 because it is a much newer machine. I believe that Revox was at least a couple years into the B-77 (the A-77 was introduced in 1967) when the 32 arrived on the market in 1983, a year after Revox introduced the PR-99, a derivation of the B-77 which had been on the market for several years at that time. If I were to guess, I would say that the A-77 was discontinued in about 1979 or so.
 
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yes ip speed is basic for mastering, 15 seems a nice speed to work with,

Id like to know what would be your recommendations on a 2 track , what are the latest models? revox, tascam , fostex, sony, akai,,,?

please think Im permanently on a budget,,,, jejejej I bought some ampex 456 tape second handed cause I thought about buying the 32 but

tascam is still one of my favourites...they seem well built
 
Id like to know what would be your recommendations on a 2 track , what are the latest models? revox, tascam , fostex, sony, akai,,,?

The closest things Revox made to a professional deck were the PR99 (the mk3 being the last version) and the rare and expensive C270. Revox was considered the consumer end of the market (albeit high-end consumer)... their professional decks were the STUDER ones which are big, heavy and expensive.
At the end of the day, B77s have been used for mastering by smaller studios and the results are nothing to complain about. I've used one for this myself.

TASCAM made a whole slew of machines, but I think your main options are going to be the 32 and the BR-20. The 32 is going to be easier to maintain into the future, but the BR-20 has a nicer (computer-controlled) transport.

Fostex mostly made 7" machines which are probably not what you want since you'll only get about 16-22 minutes on a 7" reel (an entire album would be four reels instead of two for a 10.5" reel). The E-2 would do the job, but parts are liable to be scarce. They also made an E-22 which recorded on 1/2" tape, but parts are liable to be even more scarce and the running costs will not be pretty.

Most Sony machines you're likely to find will be consumer hifi machines. Unless it's one of the APR-5000 series, which is about the size of a cooker and liable to cost thousands, it's probably not suitable for mastering. And heaven help you if an APR breaks down :(

Akai machines are typically hifi machines - I don't think they made anything that was suitable for mastering.

Studer made a lot of machines and if you can transport them okay, and if they aren't completely beaten up, they're worth looking into. Common ones include the B67, which was something of a workhorse for radio stations, the A80 which is fairly common and considered a great machine, but weighs about 200kg. This was used for many albums, including Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds.
The A807 was their 'budget' machine and again, common for radio stations. I have one and it can be a pig to maintain - even though it was their last machine with production ending around 2001, the older ones like mine are old enough to need recapping and that is not a fun exercise (I've had to do it). Of course, this is liable to be a problem with most second-hand decks.
On the plus side, the A807 has a fancy transport that can do jog-shuttle varispeed and play things backwards. It is also calibrated via the control panel instead of using a screwdriver.
The A810 is the higher-end machine, whereas the 807 has all the electronics stuffed into several large boards making it cheaper to build and a pig to troubleshoot/repair, the 810 splits it all up into lots of little cards. The 810s are considered some kind of holy grail - they often go for about a thousand pounds here.

A good idea might be to look for an Otari. The 5050 or 50 machines are fairly compact studio-grade machines - I believe the 5050 is still in production, though you'll be looking at a second-hand one unless you have a few thousand to spend on it.

please think Im permanently on a budget,,,, jejejej I bought some ampex 456 tape second handed cause I thought about buying the 32 but tascam is still one of my favourites...they seem well built

Ampex 456 is seriously not recommended. It has a problem where it becomes sticky, which stresses the machine and can often result in it spreading itself across the transport. Your best bet would be to keep the reels and discard the tape itself. The Quantegy branded ones are okay, though. Currently available tapes are RMGI, ATR and in some countries Zonal.
 
All good points guys. I'd like to add that Teac still sells many parts for the 32 where Revox ETC might be harder to find. If you go on junkbay you will probably pay more money for things that Teac still sells.
 
I'm partial to the Tascam 32 over the A-77. I own a couple 22-2's and even prefer those to the A-77.

If it were a B-77 vs. the 32 I'd have to toss a coin if they were both in great condition.

The 32 is a good bet... almost too many reasons to list. It sounds great and parts, new and used, are readily available at reasonable prices.

:)
 
Heck I might as well chime in

I would go with the Tascam 32 due to parts availability and sheer numbers. Assuming that you are in North America....

If you get a chance I think that the BR-20 is an outstanding machine that is often offered at a quite affordable price. I do understand that you have the Revox and 32 available now however.

Regards, Ethan
 
I would go with the Tascam. The only reservation I have is the DC motor used. Failure rate is high.
If you find the Teac A-6100 or better yet, the A-6100 MK II, grab it! They use the VERY reliable AC capstan motor.
 
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