Picking nearfields with no experience

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I have read tons of threads about demoing monitors in the store, at home, using a reference disc... Well what about those of us with no experience? I want to buy some nearfield monitors that will give me years of good use, allow me to learn and improve and that I wont outgrow, but I dont have experience with great monitors to compare to nor do I have a reference cd that I know inside and out after listening on such great "accurate" speakers. So, how do I pick? I assume if it sounds awesome its probably not accurate and if it sounds crappy it could be a pair of great speakers pointing out everything wrong with the recording or just a crappy pair of monitors. After reading everything I could, find I am tempted to pick up some Adam A7x 's, but thats based on the opinions of others, and with such little experience myself how can I argue. Any thoughts before I plop down the cash?
 
If you can't listen different speakers and compare them (to gain experience ;) ) you just have to rely on what other people are talking.

Have you considered Focal CMS 65?
 
What's your budget? Is your mixing/tracking room treated for sound?
 
In my opinion, buying monitors is one of the few times when you may have to rely on the opinions of others.
Even if you get to demo some speakers, five or ten minutes might not tell you much.

It's a pain in the ass and no one wants to hear it, but read reputable reviews, and then spend twice as much as you were going to. :p

I use Mackie HR624s which I used to think were best of the best sir, but now I realise they're probably closer to bare minimum for taking audio seriously.

Even if you read all the reviews in the world, you still might pick a speaker that you don't like, so be nice to them and keep your receipt.
Maybe if you can narrow the search through online reviews, then phone a local store in advance to get a good lengthy demo of a chosen pair? Bring a lot of music that you know very very well. This is key, IMO.
 
Yeah, i agree with Steeno... Do a lot of reading and pick a set based on reviews, opinions and your budget. Not sure i agree with the double budget notion, but he's half joking anyways.

Shopping for monitors suck. Even in a store, it's difficult to compare different monitors sitting side by side. You really don't know what you're getting until you get it to the studio and set up. Be sure your room is treated properly to get the most out of your speakers.
 
Sheer luck, homes......

I have read tons of threads about demoing monitors in the store, at home, using a reference disc... Well what about those of us with no experience? I want to buy some nearfield monitors that will give me years of good use, allow me to learn and improve and that I wont outgrow, but I dont have experience with great monitors to compare to nor do I have a reference cd that I know inside and out after listening on such great "accurate" speakers. So, how do I pick? Any thoughts before I plop down the cash?
Ultimately it's sheer flukery if you have no experience. And even other peoples' opinions and experiences are not always that helpful {including mine} because we are not you, we are not mixing your music, we don't live with you and therefore can't gauge your mixing room, we don't have your tastes and preferences etc.........
Unless a pro or someone that is experienced lends you a set for 5 weeks so you can demo them in depth and try out some mixes, you are essentially screwed.
Having read those
tons of threads
it shouldn't have escaped your notice that one person's "great monitor" is another person's "bête noire", one person's zenith is someone else's nemesis, one person's apogee is another's nadir and there isn't universal agreement, even when it comes to monitors the professionals use. Among those professionals !
I know that often the advice given is "save some more for a decent set" and don't get me wrong, it's great advice that no one should ever criticize you for taking. Paradoxically however, it ain't that great advice because even if you save a million quid, that million quid, while buying you probably unbelievable monitors, won't buy you the experience that forms the underlying bulwark of this thread.
And it often is sheer luck because the great monitors you might buy on 60% of the punters' recommendation, you might hate. There's no guarantee either way.
What I did, I did lots of reading about what monitors are meant to do, listened with my eyes to what people said in threads, debates and reviews then I looked for monitors I could afford. Which meant cheap ! I took a gamble and shelled out £114 or whatever it was and gambled that if they were really lousy, that £114 would be the price of an education. When I first listened to them they were very different from the stereo speakers I'd been using but I soon got used to them and I can now gauge how the kick drum will sound on regular speakers or how the bass will sound or if something will be a bit wooly or shrill. You get to know your monitors and how the mixes you do on them will sound on other systems and in other places. I think you will find that many people here have had more than one set of monitors in their lives. Why ? For the same reason many have used more than one DAW or tape recorder or amp or system, because that's just how it is. We're not born with this knowledge or experience, we acquire it. Through hard slog, some mistakes and spending some cash. And let's be honest, there's really not many here that seriously have never been able to find the money to buy gear or "upgrade".
I'm not knocking anyone's advice by the way. I think paradoxes abound in the field of recording ~ choosing monitors is simply one other.
 
I knew these would be the kinds of answers I would receive, and although it doesnt make my search easier, I now realize I am approaching this the best way I can (doing exactly what you all have recommended (read read read listen listen listen pray pray pray). I must say my room is not yet treated as I thought it would be easier to apply the treatments effectively with the monitors i intend to mix with already established in the room. If im wrong please let me know. By the way I really appreciate you all making such a grand effort to help me out. Its made the task seem a little less daunting knowing I can get help along the way.
 
Its made the task seem a little less daunting knowing I can get help along the way.
It's like a death defying white knuckle theme park ride - you look at the height of the contraption and then follows a sharp intake of breath.......but when you actually do it, it's great fun with plenty of good retrospective memories.
 
yeah, buying monitors can suck.

I've got the Adam A7's (not the X) and couldn't be happier. They've got a really clean mid and high section if a skosh lacking in the bottom end. I just learned em.
But whichever monitors you end up getting ARE gonna have a learning curve to them. What sounds good at the music store won't necessarily sound good in your room. This is where the acoustic treatment comes in.

Just get the best ones you can, burn some CD's with em and see how they translate.
Tweak your mixes from there and do it again.
 
I have the a7x and I love them but I have to say the money I spent on treatment about a grand made the biggest difference in my sound over any other piece of gear. These guys aren't just being you about treatment.
 
I know you guys are right, I just need to take the plunge. Once I decide which to buy I will be bugging you guys about treating my room. Oh the torture but oh so much fun!
 
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