Patch Bay

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Im looking to buy a patch bay for my small studio. I was wondering what everyone uses? Also wondering why some are so much money.

I really like how the switchcraft Studio Patch 6425 looks with the DB25 cable, it seems its more of a space saver. The one thing i don't like is that it is over $800 US.

Just wondering if anyone knows one like it or knows why i should pay this much for a patch bay. I need something with like over 32 patches right now but I will be buying more gear so the more the better. 96 would be a good cut off.

well if anyone can offer info that would be great.
 
I use Hosa I have a balanced and an unbalanced 48 Pt
I am sure I will get flamed for this comment but the switchcraft is about the same quality as the Hosa.

I have heard a lot of folks bad mouthing the Hosa patchbays but I have had no issues from either one of mine.

steer clear from the Behringer patch bays they are junk!
Neutrik and DBX is prolly the best out there but a bit more pricey
 
I have not specifically used the Hosa patchbay, but my experiences with Hosa cables have been pretty bad. I have had plenty of Hosa cables go bad over the years. I have even had some go bad that were only patched once and were just sitting there bridging equipment. Personally, I would be surprised to find that the Hosa patchbay was really any better than the Behringer. On the real cheap side of things, the only really cheap patchbays I have had any luck with ar AP audio ones, but I have rarely kept them installed for long enough or with enough use to really know what their longevity is like, and always had them installed where patching would be kept to a minimum.

As far as the Switchcraft goes, the jacks are better, the wiring is better, and the flexibility as far as normalling and re-routing internally is better. I agree completely that $800+ is pretty expensive for a HR patchbay. The switchcraft that you were looking at almost undoubtedly is a TT style patchbay, especially if it has 96 points. The DB25 connectors on the back can be a real time and space saver, assuming your gear is set up in a way that will easily allow the use of either DB25 to DB25 cables, or DB25 to custom config cables. One problem with DB25 cables is that they are much harder to repair. The advantage however in this area is that they seem to need repairs much less often. In fact, I have never had a DB25 cable fail, at least not at the DB25 end, and this is assuming a decent DB25 connector as well. My console's patchbay has 65 DB25 connectors on the back. I have yet to have a problem that tracks back to the DB25 part of the cables I use. Keep in mind also that if you do end up with a TT style patchbay, TT cables are typically more expensive then standard 1/4" patch cables, but it is nice to be able to fit twice as many patch points in half the space. Generally, TT patchbays and cables are considered higher quality.

As for the Neutrik and DBX patchbays. I feel that the Neutriks are probably the best compromise between quality, flexibility, and longevity. The cost about double what the really cheap offerings do, but seem to last longer. The jacks don't wear out as quick, the plug operation seems smoother, the cards go in and out easier, and they still seem to last. The DBX patchbays also seem to last well, but the cards seem to really have a problem when you start changing their functions, they are not as intuitive, and the plastic nutting scheme is not very well implemented so they constantly strip or loosen. If you really need what seems to be a solid patchbay for low cost, you could also look into an older Tascam or even Fuhriman. There are plenty of them out there, but especially if you are buying used, pay close attention to the type of patchbay. There are plenty of older ones out there that are unbalanced 1/4", or even RCA (especially with the Tascam's). If you can find a good deal on a used ADC patchbay, you will have a great solid start. ADC and Switchcraft seem to be the two brands that the big studios implement the most often.
 
You know, I've had a couple of the cheaper units..."AP" I think. If you don't exersize the jacks a lot, you'll probably be fine. Most home users, simply use the patch bays as a permanant patch solution and don't have to pull cables terribly often. That's where the quality of the connectors and the soldering on the boards show up.

Just be sure to get a unit that has replacable modules so that if they do go bad, you don't have to junk the entire package.

As for the hosa cables...yeah, not much luck here either.
 
I use the Switchcraft long frame bays. They're made of brass and weigh a ton and the rear connections are solder type. Some are 48 point and some are 52. I LOVE them. I paid about $25 a piece at an electronics consignment shop here in town. They still have them in stock from time to time.
 
i've got one of the $100 Neutriks and one of the Re'an ones with the cable tester. They're both excellent patch bays, with the Neutrik being a slight step better. both have solid construction and the jacks feel secure--which is something i've always felt the cheaper ones lack, especially over time. no one wants intermittent, wiggly, loose jacks.

you also have to consider the signal degradation and/or coloring that cheap jacks can impart. a patchbay should be as transparent as possible. that's another area that i don't have any confidence in hosa or beri patchbays.

people often overlook the quality of their patchbay. if you're like most folks who need a patchbay, most or all of your audio I/O is going to go through it. this is one place i wouldn't want to compromise--especially given the relatively cheap price of a good one.

what it boils down to is do you want to spend $50 every couple years on a cheap one that might be a sonic compromise.....or do you want to spend $100 up front on a soild performer and probably never have to replace it?


cheers,
wade
 
Search Google for Mr. Patchbay. Plenty of new and reconditioned bays either with solder points or punchblocks, and pretty much all made by ADC and Switchcraft.
 
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