panning advice for a solo acoustic guitar/singer

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i'm recording a demo with just acoustic guitar and vocals, i'm just wondering what some of you do as far as panning. some of the songs have two or three guitar tracks, yet a few only have one. just wanting a few ideas to experiment with to keep things interesting.
 
Personally, all I would do is stick the vocals slap bang in the middle and put the guitar to say 30% to the left or right and then add a stereo width or reverb effect to the guitar making it appear on both side.

Having said that, I'm a complete n00b so you don't want to listen to me:)

andy
 
a27thletter said:
i'm recording a demo with just acoustic guitar and vocals, i'm just wondering what some of you do as far as panning. some of the songs have two or three guitar tracks, yet a few only have one. just wanting a few ideas to experiment with to keep things interesting.
Your options are wide open on this one. I'd say, though, that for starters there are three basic approaches you could start with and build upon or modify as you see fit.

The first is basically what Synkotron described. A variation on this would be to mic the guitar in stereo with two mics to lay a true stereo guitar around the center vocals. Variations on the two-mic placement technique abound.

Second would be more of a recital/documentary layout where you have the vocal 30-50% to one side of the pan and the guitar equidistant to the other side. This is a basic, raw technique that is popular in the folk (a la early Bob Dylan- style) and jazz recital (a la Dianna Krall) arenas.

The above techniques work best (but not only) when you have a single guitar line or a guitar doubling arrangement. If you have somethig with multiple guitar lines then I'd leave the vocal more or less down the middle and pan the guitar tracks individually, seperating them based upon arrangement and timbre. Define the pan based upon lead vs. harmony, lead vs. rhythm, and/or a balance of bass and treble. The idea is to try and keep the most similar-sounding tracks seperated by pan - unless you are doubling a line, you might want to steer clear of throwing two trebley guitar rhthms on top of each other; seperate them for clarity and interest. If you have a trebly harmony and a bassy rhythm to go with a trebly lead, seperate the lead and the harmony in pan and them align the rhythm with the one with which is syncopates the best.

These are just examples; play around a bit with these as starting point ideas for your imagination :).

G.
 
I hope you don't mind me popping in here with a related question. I'll be doing a project along similar lines, but also with some unaccompanied vocal and possibly a few with some more instruments involved. Should similarly instrumented songs on the same CD be mixed in a similar fashion (voice vs guitar placement, effects, that sort of thing)? Would mixing things up from song to song decrease the comfort level of the listener?

Jeff
 
irishfolker said:
I hope you don't mind me popping in here with a related question. I'll be doing a project along similar lines, but also with some unaccompanied vocal and possibly a few with some more instruments involved. Should similarly instrumented songs on the same CD be mixed in a similar fashion (voice vs guitar placement, effects, that sort of thing)? Would mixing things up from song to song decrease the comfort level of the listener?
That can go either way, IMHO.

If the style and arrangment of the individual sounds are rather close to begin with, and/or if you are looking for a continuity of sound across an entire album; e.g if you want the album to sound like "An Evening With Joe Artist with special guest Jane Vocalist", then keeping the soundstage fairly regular across the songs could be what's called for.

If, OTOH, the CD is more like a collection of individual songs with a rather distinct character (even if the instruemnts are the same), and you are looking more to get each song to shine to it's highest polish (e.g. "The Best of Joe Artist"), then keeping the mix arrangements the same could be stiffling the individual songs. In such a case, let each song dictate the mix; listen to each song and it's parts and decide how best you can play to it's strengths in the mix.

It's like a diamond cutter; he doesn't go in to work and decide "I feel like making rose cuts only today." He instead has to examine each raw chunk of diamond individually and make his own best artistic judgement what kind of cut will make that particular stone glow the best.

You have to decide whether your CD is going to be more like a theme piece, a performance recording, or a collection of individual hits. This will affect not only how you mix the songs, but (hopefully) how you track them as well. That's where you get to play producer.

HTH,

G.
 
Thanks, Glen. I was thinking somewhat along those lines. "Let the song dictate the mix." I like that. I keep telling my wife that the song lets me know how it wants sung. I should pay attention to that in other aspects.

Thanks again.

Jeff
 
The first is basically what Synkotron described

Glad to hear I'm thinking somewhere along the right lines... It's something I've been playing around with for a band that has one guitarist in and that guitarist doesn't want to do overdubs or layers on every song. The results so far have been "mixed" but I'm getting there.

A variation on this would be to mic the guitar in stereo with two mics to lay a true stereo guitar around the center vocals

ah... of course, I should have thought of that one because I've done that before myself.
 
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