Originality in sampling??

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Do you see alot of originality right now amongst those people that use samples of licensed material in their music??

Hip hop is kind of sample lite right now but there are still those of us who dig in the crates.

Have any of you given up diggin'?? Do you prefer to make up your own beats instead of using samples?

Whats your opinions on original compositions of hip hop music that are made up from scratch instead of using samples?

Right now i prefer to mess with more made up stuff because theres more possibilities available for me. I still can sample among the best of them...but I just have more fun nowadays with making up beats..I also want to start using more live instrumentation in my beats too...Guitars and basses...occassional live drummer...whatever i feel the need to add.

Whats you alls stance or stances on this??

Put your opinions up and lets discuss this

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Illacov
 
illacov said:
I also want to start using more live instrumentation in my beats too...Guitars and basses...occassional live drummer...whatever i feel the need to add.

Whats you alls stance or stances on this??
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Do it!!!
 
I just started Sampling

Until about 2 months ago all I knew how to do was create my own ish.....playing whatever I was hearing in my head on the keyboard. But i was down in London and i bought an orchastra cd and I sampled for the first time. The beat was out rages.....not because I did it, because it was a total east coast beat(i'm working with an east coast type rapper, and my norm is some dirty dirty or really musical sounding UGK/pimp ish, but i've been rounding myself out doing some pop, some rock, some ballards, some nursery rhyming ish, etc), but because them fools just didn't wanna stop rapping on that joint.

I also got a gang of records from this old chick i did some computer work for. I haven't played with them yet because I've been going through a gang of samples i've bought or downloaded and organizing them into "instruments" in Gigastudio. Once I listen to all the samples i have and organize them, then I'll start going through the records and jacking them oldies.

I think being original is the best thing, but sampling can be hella tight too.....especially if people don't know where you got the sample from.

I don't think i would ever be a sample maniac, unless for like subtle things....or things just to fill in space.

"like Lil Flip, I can do that/Flip original beats/ and Sample Myself for a HOT Track"
That Texas Fella
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Im kinda new at beat making, my 2cents

Ive been making up my own as I go. I just recently started messin with samples. Its kinda of different thing for me, but it is starting to allow me to do different styles and verys up my production at times. Do you ever get on a run where maybe two or three of your beats sound very simular? I mean, I just started producing in June of 2003. But Ive had ideas for beats since 99'. LOL. I just wanna use samples in moderation and try to keep most of my ish "No Questions Asked". pm
 
The biggest benefit of not sampling

is not getting sued. At best if your shit sounds like somebody elses but you played it yourself all you would really end up paying is for the permission to cover it and believe me you'd rather pay those fees than to pay for copyright infringement ala sampling illegally with no clearance.

Im suprised myself why more people just dont replay the sample they wanna use instead of sampling outright.

Its not like it cant be done but then again what i think this really shows and im talking about the big boys here is that they have no true production skills besides sampling on their mpc.

If only i had 80,000 dollars to get a track done.

You mean to tell me you cant find a good 5 or 6 musicians? To replay a song from sheet music? for under 80,000 and oh yeah you have to record them doing it so you can sample them.

Hmmm...like i said no production skills outside the box.

Quincy Jones is who I idolize....people like Kanye West and J Blaze are like screensavers and Quincy Jones is the Computer...the computer can do what the screen saver does in its sleep...my proof? Quincy Jones is responsible for most of pop musics and soul musics sound as of late so what Blaze and West sample probably has Quincys influence on them....

And hes a producer and he recorded his musicians so why cant they?

I mean find the sample but make shit interesting and try to play it over yourself on the keyboard..you be suprised how shit can be switched up once you know the basic notes.

This is what I did on my album if i had a song made with a sample that i liked i learned the music for it and re interpreted the original beat and turned it into something that I liked.

To me this is more of a musical proces than just looping shit...so far I have yet to see too many people in the majors escape loops...Premier, Pete Rock and True Master are some of the few people i see that escape looping and chop their samples into something different...the Abbot doesnt even seem like he uses records half the time i mean he still samples but then with him you cant tell anymore.

And then of course theres Dre...love love his shit..but then again that means I like Mel Man and Scott Storch and yes they are both monsters...which is why they will be staying paid long after Blaze and West go on their merry way out the game.

If you havent noticed this is happening already...West is hot right now...but 6 months ago we said the same thing about J Blaze...cough cough..

Peace
Illacov
 
"people like Kanye West and J Blaze are like screensavers and Quincy Jones is the Computer..." lol, liked that..........

@illacov, Thats a good point you made. One of my first legit beats and one of my favs was from something like replaying one of melody parts. I did change it up to fit my preferrence and by the time I was done, you could only really "guess" I "Kinda" got an idea from the beat, but only if I told you I did, LOL, dose that make since........

@ illacov, do you have anything posted for listening? I'd like to take a peak at some of your production. I'm trying to get something going here as far as my style of production. I dont think my ish has been accepted on this board as "dope", yet!, compared to some of these other producers. But Im gettin my gear down and getting more on the creative side and trying to go with a unique sound, you know, like you can almost tell every time you hear a Dre beat, Eminem beat, Timberland (for the most part), its not like they all sound the same, but its like they impliment their own genes into the instrumentals and you can just tell its them. lake,................................peace, pm
 
yeah I agree one of the producers I work wit (dagga) plays alot of his stuff over and then he samples what he replayed. Sometimes he just flips the oldschool joint and makes it his own. That's the best part of hiphop music you can be influence by any form of music and make it hiphop.

I myself create beats as well as sample I've been sampling mostly as of late due to my midi equipment being down. I still sample the hell out my own joints to either add more to it or make it into another beat entirely. this is a great discussion!:D
 
Interesting discussion indeed, but before anyone goes off on a tangent make this much clear. A sampler is an instrument as much as any other, and any blind, one-armed monkey can pull a loop, strike a single piano key, or pluck any string on a guitar and boldy claim to have created music. We get so far gone with technology that we lose perspective. If a sampler is your instrument, then master it like Phil Keaggy on guitar, Marcus Miller on bass, Danny Carey on drums, blah, blah, blah. When you hear a really good song you don't single out the elements, it just sounds good as a whole. The individual instruments become seamless together. You don't say,"WOW! Great hi hat!" Like anything else, you don't necessarily notice good sampling, i.e. Dre, Timbaland, Outkast, Art of Noise, blah, blah, blah. Go back to the lab.

Peace.
 
Heres a link to my stuff

Take a listen at
http://mtolympusrecords.bravehost.com/illumination

there should be some links to my stuff...and if thats not working (I love sharing hosting) You can go to

http://www.nowhereradio.com/illumination

and thats got a radio edit off my album and....a snippet off my album that i did a replayed element (based off an older song) that joint is called "Whos Reddy" but the Catch 22 joint is totally made up.

Take a listen and continue the convo
Peace
Illacov
 
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