Order of recording

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Does it really matter? I'm recording on an 8 track cassette and wondering if it makes a difference to record a guide acoustic track, then drums, bass etc, then re-record the acoustic? Or not really necessary...? thanks :)
 
Usually drums first.
More often than not drums are consistent and easy to follow and if there are any gaps, get him to click his sticks to hold tempo.

There are exceptions though.
I'm working with an acoustic singer songwriter this weekend and he'll be doing guitar first.
There's no full kit in his tunes, just shaken percussion and what have you.
 
Ok, thanks. Do you recommend getting him to play to a guide acoustic track and a click track then re-doing everything on top of that?
 
Ah just saw the second part of your post. I'm guessing it's more for the sake of holding the song together? i.e. everyone playing to the same rhythm and building up from that etc..
 
Yeah, i guess you play it by ear and decide what the driving factor in your song is.

I'd record drums first on pretty much any group with a full kit.

With an acoustic singer/songwriter I'll try to record him live or at least get the guitar down first and vocals after.
I do this because the tempo of the guitar is likely to fluctuate and that's the 'feeling' of the song.

Any extra parts or hand percussion can be overdubbed.

In this case a lot of people like to use a click. Personally I don't care for it if the musicians are good, but again, you just gotta play that by ear I guess.

I don't usually bother with guide tracks at all unless I'm recording drums and he needs a guide guitar to follow or something.
For the likes of acoustic sessions, I record the guitar and just build upon that take.

To be fair you'll probably get a lot of contradictory replies. There really is no right way to do it. It's just whatever works for ya.

If it's a consistent full kit your dealing with I'd probably do it first.
 
To be fair you'll probably get a lot of contradictory replies.
I don't think the replies will be contradictory, just different, because
There really is no right way to do it. It's just whatever works for ya.
There are a number of different ways of recording the initial take because there are a number of factors to juggle, such as the instruments, the kind of vocal, the number of participants and who plays what and the complexity or simplicity of the song. On a number of occasions I've done really quite long pieces that are multipart and so I've mentally divided the song into sections. Then each of those sections has been recorded on the instrument{s} that a]either best defines the part or b]it was written on. So one part could be drums and guitar, another bass and drums, another just guitar, but only as a rhythm shadow because the piano will ultimately be in it's place etc and there might be an accapella vocal in there somewhere.
This way of recording is more likely now that I've gone diji but it was common even when I used to use the 488. In fact, it was during 17 years with the 488 that I developed this way of recording. At first, I used to try and get the entire thing down in one go but if you've got a 22 minute piece that goes through different moves and time signatures, that's not going to happen without serious rehearsal or the person you're initially tracking with learning their part in their own time. That wasn't happening either ! Having said that, many pieces did go down in one take. As Steenamaroo said, it really all depends.
Personally, I like to overdub to drums or congas/bongoes so most of the stuff I do will be drums or percussion to bass or guitar. If there are no time conscious percussive parts or the drums and percussion are going to go on later in the piece, then I'll set a click and play to that, which enables you to get all esoteric with time signatures within a standard time.
Once all the basic constituents have been recorded then flesh can go on the bones.
 
How well can you (or whomever is playing the acoustic scratch track) keep steady time? I often will record the scratch track to a steady simple repeating beat to get the measure count down for better timing, then build the drum track (you can use it to lay down the scratch acoustic track), then silence the repeating beat for the drummer to record his part.
 
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