Online certificate programs etc

[rimisrandma]

Is there any good schools or places you can take an online program (DVD programs?) and maybe preferably even get a certificate etc in something similar to:

audio arts, recording arts, digital music production programs.

fu*l Sa*l has one, but it's 50 or 60 THOUSAND DOLLARS...which is a tiny bit ridiculous.

 

[MrWrenchey]

fu*l Sa*l has one, but it's 50 or 60 THOUSAND DOLLARS...which is a tiny bit ridiculous.

50 or 60 thousand dollars is what you pay to have hands on experience in every single course. xD
I'm going to be heading to Belmont next year, the cost is the same for the last 2 years.
Of course, if you're on a budget (like I am), come down to Spokane, WA and go to Spokane Falls Community College. It's only about $10,000 for a full 2 years, you get an AAS and Operator Certified (level 2) by Avid. =]

 

[kidkage]

yeah, full sail is shenanigans.

Dubspot seems to be credible

 

[guitaristic]

yeah, full sail is shenanigans.

Ehhh, I think the price might be a shenanigan, but I had a friend who went there for 4 years and came out as a BEAST. He's now kind of like an omniscient audio Budda!

 

[kidkage]

Ehhh, I think the price might be a shenanigan, but I had a friend who went there for 4 years and came out as a BEAST. He's now kind of like an omniscient audio Budda!

Yeah, I can believe that.
I mean nothing against the students.
I guess it all depends upon the individual.
Just as it is possible for a person who doesn't go there to learn the same stuff as a person who does it's possible for someone who does go there to not learn anything. Or at least not use what they learn.

 

[wheelema]

Full Sail isn't a ripoff in the sense that they don't teach you, but they are rapicious, and deceptive. They'll feed you easy fluff classes until you cannot back out of any Federal obligations and then hit you with the tough shit. LOTS of students drop. If you do graduate but can only find a job waiting tables they count you as a employed graduate. And their 'accreditation' is shit. You won't be able to transfer your credits to any reputable two or four year university. Lots of people don't understand how accreditation works and Full Sail, American Art Institute, DeVry, ITT Tech, etc. take advantage of that.

 

[kidkage]

I mean my problem and skepticism towards full sail is that it seems like they leave their graduates out to dry.
I looked into it and a number of other "music schools" around graduation time but after some conversations with students and graduates I decided against them all.
I don't doubt that it can be a great thing for some people.
But personally, I don't think it's necessary. Nor do I think it alone increases a persons chances of working in the music industry. If anything it seems like it limits their chances because students of places like that automatically get a bad rep

The internet and books are full of knowledge.
And some of that minimum of $50,000 saved will buy nice equipment for a person to get their own hands on with.
Or a hotel room close to a studio where they can get hands on.

 

[moresound]

I'll certify anyone and everyone for only $2750.

 

[guitaristic]

I mean my problem and skepticism towards full sail is that it seems like they leave their graduates out to dry.

Yeah, but that's what most colleges do anyways! College is a business...money for the chance to gain knowledge. Once that exchange is complete, you're on your own!

 

[Steenamaroo]

I'll certify anyone and everyone for only $2750.

Hey! That's less than I paid you!!!

 

[moresound]

You got the PHD version Paul. Phi Zappa Crappa

 

[kidkage]

Yeah, but that's what most colleges do anyways! College is a business...money for the chance to gain knowledge. Once that exchange is complete, you're on your own!

True.

And in todays day and age even a "real degree" from "real college" doesn't = work.
Unless you want to be a doctor or a lawyer or something like that where it's required (unless youre performing surgeries in the shed ) you've got just as good of a chance at a job through interning and working your way up or whatever as you do through a degree.

but learning even for the sake of just learning is always a good thing.

 

[rimisrandma]

The college degree = job philosophy really is becoming a joke, as alluded to above. Things like engineering that paid big bux in the baby boomer era isn't really all that promising like it was at one time. Assuming you make it through a rigorous program like that, a majority of the time it is the elitists "friend of a friend" crowd and the "best of the best" that end up with a fair handshake. A low B average student or lower may as well forget it (so to speak).

But that said. Like audio, what to do then? Some ideas I had, website design, multimedia (interactive) design of some sort? I use the computer A LOT and go to piles of websites, so someone has to do that for almost every business, so I thought, why not do that.....it's sort of related to digital arts in a way that I can make a comfortable living. Opinions? I live in a middle of the road type area which is a cross of country and city. I think to do audio work I would need to move to a city and I am just not a full blown city dude. I could see making some music and eventually trying to sell it. Like a bedroom music producer if there is such a thing, or if not I would like to be one of the first. I also don't like being in a band and doing music that way.

Also, I could pay for an online audio program and thought why not and gain some "little bit more pro" education. It would be nice to get a cert of some sort so it's not like sh*tting (or p*ssing) in the wind. There is a place called the Sh*ffield Institute, in Maryland I believe, for 15,000 which isn't so bad, but not online. So other ideas here as well.

I was also under the impression that surgeries are going on in the shed everyday with a good ol' p*rno mag and a generous handful of all Am*rican lube.

 

[Capt Hair]

I mean my problem and skepticism towards full sail is that it seems like they leave their graduates out to dry.
I looked into it and a number of other "music schools" around graduation time but after some conversations with students and graduates I decided against them all.
I don't doubt that it can be a great thing for some people.
But personally, I don't think it's necessary. Nor do I think it alone increases a persons chances of working in the music industry. If anything it seems like it limits their chances because students of places like that automatically get a bad rep

The internet and books are full of knowledge.
And some of that minimum of $50,000 saved will buy nice equipment for a person to get their own hands on with.
Or a hotel room close to a studio where they can get hands on.

They're definitely great programs for certain people, I've met a few people that have gone to full sail and one of my best friends is in his last year. He loves it. A few of the people I met though, have a job, but are working locally as a floor salesman at frontend audio's showroom here in south carolina and can hardly make ends meet with the student loans he's paying off.

I think part of the problem with the bad rep, is that they practically accept everyone, and if you cruise through school half trying, you still get a degree. Then these are the mass amount of people that are going out into the field from this "prestigious" school, and when they are asked to do a basic audio task they are completely incompetent and in turn give the school and everyone from it a bad rep.

I agree though, with the internet, and studio owners wanting interns for some free work, you can build up the experience and references you would need to be placed somewhere in the field and save that money.


I'd definitely check some of your local community colleges OP. That's where I found the audio program I just finished up, it was an accreditation for Audio Engineering and was just $3k for the whole class set, I would have gladly payed more for what I've learned, it was well worth it. We were at the actual local studio for all the classes and your "labs" are done in the studio and help develop the fundamental concepts of the recording arts. And there were classes for music business, live sound, and digital music production (midi stuff) as well, so you learn a wide range of skills.

 

[guitaristic]

My friend went to Full Sail, and in his first 2 years out he did a Van Halen concert, a Hannah Montana (lol...but still big deal) concert, and a Presidential inauguration!

 

[MrWrenchey]

My friend went to Full Sail, and in his first 2 years out he did a Van Halen concert, a Hannah Montana (lol...but still big deal) concert, and a Presidential inauguration!

See, it's things like this that make me have hope that going to Belmont next year won't be a bad decision... xD
But seriously, is it just Full Sail, or would Belmont University for two years be a ripoff to you guys? Honestly, most people I know that come out of those places seem to have some pretty good knowledge, and Belmont has been rated as having the #3 studio in the world, non-collegiate. I'd be willing to bet that they'd be able to teach you a thing or two there.
Not to mention your junior/senior year, you get to intern at really nice studios in Nashville...

 

[kidkage]

My friend went to Full Sail, and in his first 2 years out he did a Van Halen concert, a Hannah Montana (lol...but still big deal) concert, and a Presidential inauguration!

Those are some serious gigs
Did Full Sail find him the gigs or did he get them on his own? (In text that might translate as me douching it up, but that's a serious question)

See, it's things like this that make me have hope that going to Belmont next year won't be a bad decision... xD
But seriously, is it just Full Sail, or would Belmont University for two years be a ripoff to you guys? Honestly, most people I know that come out of those places seem to have some pretty good knowledge, and Belmont has been rated as having the #3 studio in the world, non-collegiate. I'd be willing to bet that they'd be able to teach you a thing or two there.
Not to mention your junior/senior year, you get to intern at really nice studios in Nashville...

An education is never a bad thing. It's all what you do with the education. Some people get their education from books/just doing stuff/moresound and the rest of the internets (like me) and some people learn in classrooms from teachers and in studios/whatever.

Each person ultimately chooses and walks their own path in life.
I mean I can't really say anything. I'm not some huge superstar that can say "I didn't go there. Look at me I'm successful."
I'm just another guy.
Just because I don't see the point in going to those places doesn't mean there isn't one.

 

[kidkage]

There's been similar discussions on the site in the past.
I feel like a total tool for quoting myself, but I feel like this is a good space for this:

I would say education is all a personal thing.

My view, and I'm sure I'll be called dumb for this- but, I basically came to terms with the fact that in the world today I can have the same results coming out of my spare bedroom as the person coming out of full sail (or something similar).
and im not limiting that to the audio field btw.
examples: there are two big mechanics in my town. One is self taught, and one went to a tech school
megadeth came out of a bedroom. dream theater came out of a college.
there is a college educated computer tech, and there is a computer educated computer tech

the same view i have on success is the same view i have on failure.
ex: [x] left his bedroom and went nowhere. [y] left college and went nowhere.

I think a person can have anything they want in life as long as they go get it and don't expect it to come to them.
Whether they want the newspaper, the job at gamestop, the role in the movie, etc.

 

[guitaristic]

See, it's things like this that make me have hope that going to Belmont next year won't be a bad decision... xD
But seriously, is it just Full Sail, or would Belmont University for two years be a ripoff to you guys? Honestly, most people I know that come out of those places seem to have some pretty good knowledge, and Belmont has been rated as having the #3 studio in the world, non-collegiate. I'd be willing to bet that they'd be able to teach you a thing or two there.
Not to mention your junior/senior year, you get to intern at really nice studios in Nashville...

I think going to Belmont would be a great idea, if not only for its location in Nashville. You'd have a great opportunity to network with some serious music/recording dudes, and that internship might eventually land you a job in the recording industry!

Those are some serious gigs
Did Full Sail find him the gigs or did he get them on his own? (In text that might translate as me douching it up, but that's a serious question

Haha nah you're good! He technically got them on his own through a company, but it does go to show that there are companies and people in the industry who respect a Full Sail education! So all hope is not lost

 

[rimisrandma]

There's been similar discussions on the site in the past.
I feel like a total tool for quoting myself, but I feel like this is a good space for this:

I would say education is all a personal thing.

My view, and I'm sure I'll be called dumb for this- but, I basically came to terms with the fact that in the world today I can have the same results coming out of my spare bedroom as the person coming out of full sail (or something similar).
and im not limiting that to the audio field btw.
examples: there are two big mechanics in my town. One is self taught, and one went to a tech school
megadeth came out of a bedroom. dream theater came out of a college.
there is a college educated computer tech, and there is a computer educated computer tech

the same view i have on success is the same view i have on failure.
ex: [x] left his bedroom and went nowhere. [y] left college and went nowhere.

I think a person can have anything they want in life as long as they go get it and don't expect it to come to them.
Whether they want the newspaper, the job at gamestop, the role in the movie, etc.

I like this thought. Concise, honest, original thinking.