One step down from Monster cables

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For those of us who:

A) Cannot afford to outfit the entire studio with Monster cables.
and
B) Do not make our own cables.

What brands of cables do you feel comfortable with (for quality and reliability)?

I have a couple of monster cables and a shitload of random guitar cables that I use (in my studio and with my guitar rig). I have never given cables much thought, except that I use my monster cables alot because: they haven't yet failed me, and they require little thought because they dont seem to affect the sound (at least not that I can hear.)
I would like to replace all of my random shit cables though (mostly the ones that snap crackle and pop!) with something else that I trust. Going Monster all the way is just way too expensive, and I know there are other good companies out there.
What do you guys use?
Any recommendations will be appreciated and investigated.
Thanks,
Todd
 
Why would you *want* to outfit your whole studio with Monster cables? :confused:

Make your own, it'sreally not that difficult, and you'll be very happy you did :)
 
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fraserhutch said:
Why would you *want* to outfit your whole studio with Monster cables?


Like I said - I like them because they've been good to me so far.


fraserhutch said:
Make your own.

Is it that easy? Where do you get your raw materials and what do you like/dislike. I know Neutrik connectors are talked about quite commonly. That's about where my cable-making knowledge ends though.

Thanks,
Todd
 
gbondo said:
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Like I said - I like them because they've been good to me so far.
They're overpriced and definitely not worth what you paid for them. It's actually cheaper to get a small soldering iron and buy the materials to make a far better cable.

Canare or Mogami cable with Neutrik connectors. There are any number of places to get them.

Markertek
Full Compass
Any number of places. I have my list at home, and I have a poor memory for store names :)

You'll be glad you went this route, trust me.
 
I'd actually like to have some more info on this. Can anyone link the products that they use, and maybe a site with some walk thrus on doing it correctly?
 
If you are trying to replace Monster Studio Pro 1000, there are no other "cheaper" alternatives that sound as good.

If you are talking about Studio Pro 500, or Performer 500, or any of the "lesser" cables, then you can get stuff as good or better for cheaper for sure!

The best sounding wire I have heard that is less than Monster Studio Pro 1000 is the Mogami Quad 2534 . For balanced connections, this would be a good choice. For unbalanced, maybe overkill.

You have to consider how you are going to use your cables. If they are patch cables between pedal effects, and for a patch back, you will probably want wire with a braided shield. This type of shield remains flexible for many years, and if a strand of two of the wire shield breaks, it doesn't totally kill the effectiveness of the shield.

For "interconnect" cables, like from patchbay to rack mount devices, since these cables won't be "flexed" very often, you could go with cable that has a solid foil shield, which tends to be smaller cable, and cost quite a bit less! The problem with using solid foil shield cables as "patch" cables, or as instrument cables is that if you flex them a lot, you will cause cracks and splits in the shield, and can effectively render the shield useless. Simply, they are not as robust, but, for applications were the cable will not be moved much at all over it's life, they are a great cost effective solution, and actually, solid foil shields are MUCH better shields than braided shields in outright effectiveness.

You really can't go wrong with Mogami. If you called around to state of the art studios, you will find that at least 75% of them are wired with Mogami.

There are two reasons why I don't recommend Neutrik connectors.

First: They tend to be hard to work with! Once you have to deal with a gazillion of them, you will find that out! ESPECIALLY they XLR connectors. They are almost impossible to make an effective "jig" for.

Second: The plastic parts can easily break. In my years of doing live sound work, I have NEVER had a Switchcraft connector break, but have had SEVERAL Neutrik connectors break.

I think Switchcraft is the better way to go. They are easy to make jigs for (a jig is a "holder" of the connector. So, when you are trying solder the wire to the connector, you have the connectors firmly in place), tend to be a hair cheaper in price, and will last FOREVER.

They DO require that every once in a while, you check the screws hold it together and tighten them. This is NO MORE maintnance than having to get that the plastic parts are Neutrik connectors are tight (cause if they get lose, you can EASILY break the plastic part...:( ).

You are going to hear some people recommend Canare, because it is a tad cheaper than Mogami. Me and the other engineer that did the cables listening tests agreed that the Mogami Quad was VERY marginal. In the "sort of expensive" catagory of cables we tried, it was the dullest sounding cable. BUT, it DID sound better than the ProCol/Whirlwind stuff we tried. But, it didn't measure up to well to the Mogami/Belden/Gotham. So, for what that is worth to you.

All my opinions about cables above are based upon a blind test me and another engineer conducted on each other comparing about 30 different cable brand/models. Every time, after listening, in random order (with the listener not knowing which cables the recording used) we picked the Monster Studio Pro 1000 as the best sounding cable. We did a second group of recordings to make sure it wasn't some freak recording thing. Truely, it was the best sounding cable. There were a few cables grouped into the "second place", with both of us having a different opinion, but we had to agree that none of them sounding as good overall! Some had as sweet of a top end, but seem to lack bottom end, some has a great bottom, but not so good top. Etc.....The Monster SP 1000 just seemed to have the overall excellent sound!

We didn't WANT the most expensive cable to be the best sounding! HELL NO!!! We were looking at buying a LOT of wire, and frankly, if the second place cables "pretty close", we would have saved the money for sure! But, it is an obvious difference, and the studio owner decided that the extra expense was worth it to retain an excellent signal path from mic to to preamp, to recorder.
 
I had a couple of cable purchases this last year from Markertek and am very happy with them -very professional in every aspect. I bought a number of XLR patch cables and several 50 ft Canare mic cables. Classy place, good prices.

Tim
 
Diggin' the info guys, much appreciated, kinda opened up a new side of the whole thing for me. Is there a site around that has some of the newbish info for making your own cables? XLR, TRS, RCA, balanced and unbalanced, etc? Also, where can I find rack chasis'? Thanks again!
 
Creamyapples1 said:
Diggin' the info guys, much appreciated, kinda opened up a new side of the whole thing for me. Is there a site around that has some of the newbish info for making your own cables? XLR, TRS, RCA, balanced and unbalanced, etc? Also, where can I find rack chasis'? Thanks again!
I'll post links when I get home tonight.
 
Timothy Lawler said:
I had a couple of cable purchases this last year from Markertek and am very happy with them -very professional in every aspect. I bought a number of XLR patch cables and several 50 ft Canare mic cables. Classy place, good prices.

Tim


I also highly recommend markertek. Good quality cables, great prices, fast shipping.
 
Heres a good one:

http://www.rane.com/note110.html

Equipment I recommend: Soldering iron (whatever is good, your not solder electronic components), Cable cutter (the one for trimming coax buffer), cable strippers (the plier kind), 60/40 rosin core solder.

That should run you no more than $30-40

Redco is very nice for Mogami cable but their branded cable is very good too.

I buy my connectors from Newark Electronics (they stock the full line of Neutriks and their prices are good)
 
I could see using all metal connectors for live work, but for permanent installs or home studios I think Neutrik connectors are fine. I've built hundreds of cables for my studio using Neutrik connectors and have never had a failure. I personally find them easier to solder than Soundcraft connectors, but that might be because I am used to them. The feature that appeals to me is that with Neutrik connectors I don't have to deal with those little screws, hate those things.

It's a worthwhile use of time to learn how to build your own cables. Over time the expense of buying the soldering iron, solder, clamp, and other supplies will will pay for themselves. It's also very nice to have cables that are the right length, and with the right kind of interconnects on both ends.
 
I have mostly Yorkville patch cables and some gold plated planet wave cables. Nice and robust and work well.
 
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