Omni Studio + XP

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I have the Delta 66 sound card installed, and I'm sending signal to the Omni (which is correctly connected to the sound card. How the hell do I get sound out of my speakers when I plug my guitar into the Omni? The manual really is not helpful, especially since it has no directions for Windows XP. Very confused, please help.
 
I know you are reading this

Won't you please offer advice?
 
Be more specific Spot..what are your speakers hooked to ?
 
Speakers

My factory speakers are connected to my computer exactly how Dell has instructed me to. The problem is not with the speakers. The problem has got to be with signal routing because I talked to M Audio today and a tech helped me setup my Delta Control Panel. After I did that, he told me to use Acid Express 2.0 (which came in the Maximum Audio CD that came with the Omni Studio). He said this program would best suit me for my needs. But here's the deal, I'm using my headphones (connected to the Omni I/O) and I only get sound out of one side of the phones. How do I get sound out of both? In Acid Express, I have it set to Mono Input, but I still have this problem.

Any ideas?
 
So you have your PC speakers connected to your system card ?
If your running two cards in your system this can create cunfusion for one.
If your using XP or 2K you can setup your system to use the delta card specifically for PC sounds and your recording monitor.
But you will need to connect your speakers to the RCA outputs of the delta card which in your case may need adapters to change from 1/8 connects to RCA connects.
The headphone situation is questionable..
If its a mono track is it centered or panned L or R ?
If its a stero track you will be able to hear both sides.
 
Windows XP is set up this way for my sound card:

Playback: M Audio Delta 66 H/W 1/2
Record: M Audio Delta 66 H/W 1/2

This is what the tech from M Audio suggested. Therefore, I understand why I don't get any sound out of my speakers. I'm trying to do headphones now. Here's another thing about my stereo/mono problem. I'm plugging in to Input 1 of my Omni and the stereo LED's only register me on one side (of left and right). Is this why I only hear out of one side of my headphones (In other words, is the problem with the Omni?). Or, is the problem with my settings in Acid Express/or/my XP settings?

Also, I was told I could add effects in Acid Express 2.0. I can't find any effects though. Any thoughts?

Thanks.
 
So,
I figured out how to pan my mono guitar signal (from Gtr-->Input 1 on the Omni-->Delta 66 Sound Card). I opened the Delta Control Panel and panned input one.....but you can't pan it exactly even. Is there any way to pan the signal exactly even?

Also, my Omni Studio Package came with the Maximum Audio Package (which has demo versions of some Sonic Foundry, Propellarhead, Antares, and some other programs). Does anybody know this Maximum Audio CD? What would be the best programs for songwriting with guitar and adding effects/drum loops/bass loops/etc. to it). Basically, how can I be a one man band? Thanks.

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GOD DAMNITT

Now I'm having BIG TIME PROBLEMS. For the second time, The Delta 66 hardware has messed up my computer. My computer doesn't recognize the A:\ Drive and every time I boot up, I get a "Limited Virtual Memory" notice. It states somethin about I have no paging file, or, my pagin file is too small. A Dell Tech tried to fix, but had to advise me to Restore my system. Now that I am having the same problem for the second time, I fear that I must do that again. BTW, once again I am using Windows XP on a Dell Dimension 2350 with 256 MB SDDRAM. I can't believe I'm having problems with this. Everyone seems to say that XP is great for the Omni Studio.

Also, M Audio's Tech Support is very poor. This guy was helping me out a couple days ago and he was a total prick. He acted like should know everything and was a smart ass. That's pretty lame if you ask me.

Stealthtech, since you've been my only help so far, I'd appreciate some more advice if you care to lend it. Thanks.
 
You sure are.

My factory speakers are connected to my computer exactly how Dell has instructed me to. The problem is not with the speakers. The problem has got to be with signal routing because I talked to M Audio today and a tech helped me setup my Delta Control Panel.

This sounds like the speakers are connected to the audio line out on the computer -- that is, on the built-in chip. The Delta is a completely distinct hardware device and there is no way for the audio signal it is routing to go out the on-board sound's hardware.

Windows XP is set up this way for my sound card:

Playback: M Audio Delta 66 H/W 1/2
Record: M Audio Delta 66 H/W 1/2

But you said the speakers are connected to the Dell's output. The sound is being directed to the M-Audio by Windows, not the on-board outs. Since no speakers are there, you hear nothing.

But here's the deal, I'm using my headphones (connected to the Omni I/O) and I only get sound out of one side of the phones.

Headphone plugs are stereo plugs -- they have two connections separated by an insulating ring. Look at the plug. You should see two black rings near the end. This plug needs to go in a stereo jack that similarly has two separate connections inside.

Now the OMNI outputs are mono outputs, like the jack on a standard guitar or amp. They need a mono cable with only one black ring on the ends.

When you plug the headphones into this jack, it has only one mono signal. One side of the phones gets the signal.

For the second time, The Delta 66 hardware has messed up my computer. My computer doesn't recognize the A:\ Drive and every time I boot up, I get a "Limited Virtual Memory" notice. It states somethin about I have no paging file, or, my pagin file is too small. A Dell Tech tried to fix, but had to advise me to Restore my system. Now that I am having the same problem for the second time, I fear that I must do that again. BTW, once again I am using Windows XP on a Dell Dimension 2350 with 256 MB SDDRAM. I can't believe I'm having problems with this. Everyone seems to say that XP is great for the Omni Studio.

Sigh. I wish they would shoot those responsible for the common notion that personal computers are for everyone and for every possible application. The fact is, they are incredibly complex devices and you really need to understand them fairly well if you're going to expect to have success with an endeavor like this.

A missing page file is a serious problem, and there is no way that it could have become that way from the Delta 66 hardware. A paging file that's too small is easily fixed, if you know what you are doing. If you don't, you will just have problem after problem. It sounds like you would be far better off with a dedicated system like a Roland VS or similar multitrack digital recorders.

Also, M Audio's Tech Support is very poor. This guy was helping me out a couple days ago and he was a total prick. He acted like should know everything and was a smart ass. That's pretty lame if you ask me.

In his defense, how would you act if you had to help people with little or no understanding of how a complex device works figure it out, with only the use of your ears and maybe some emails to read, all day long, day after day? I have no idea what the interaction was like but it might be just that he was fried after a long day of trying to help people that expect miracles after a few minutes. Even worse than dealing with the completely clueless are those who have some experience with computers but have just gotten themselves into a complex tangle of incompatible hardware or bad drivers, and have no patience at all because they think they already know as much as the tech, who is of course not making any assumptions at all about their level of expertise and therefore seems to be talking down to them.
 
Just to make a point about the customer service. I realize that this guy probably deals with people like me all the time. If he's going to be rude, then he should get another job. End of story.

Well, I somehow got everything working with the help of a Dell Tech. I think it was an IRQ problem.

Anyway, what are the best programs to use for songwriting with guitar as the main instrument? Basically, I want a program that will allow me to record tracks, fully edit the tracks, and add effects. I also would like Drum Machine capabilities, as well as the ability to create other instrument parts. I really want to be a one man band so I can compose music and hear all of the different parts. This way, when I take a song to my band....they can hear exactly how I envisioned it. Thanks for the help.
 
Just to make a point about the customer service. I realize that this guy probably deals with people like me all the time. If he's going to be rude, then he should get another job. End of story.
Maybe if he's rude all the time, I'd agree with you. But who knows? Maybe his girlfriend left him that day or something. I'd be inclined to cut him some slack.

Well, I somehow got everything working with the help of a Dell Tech. I think it was an IRQ problem.

That doesn't explain the part about the speakers. Maybe I was making the wrong assumption about how they were plugged in.

Anyway, what are the best programs to use for songwriting...

You want something like one of the Cakewalk products. SONAR is probably overkill but perhaps Cakewalk Home Studio or Guitar Tracks would serve you well. There is also the Cubase family of products -- they have "lite" versions too that are way less expensive than the flagship half-a-grand+ products.

One question-- is your username from the little Feat song "Fat Man In the Bathtub" by Lowell George?
 
Can I check your oil tonight?

Yep. Little Feat is one of my favorite bands. I wish Lowell were alive today.

Anyway, to close out the customer service issue, I should probably cut him some slack. But, it's very tiresome to deal with loutish customer service.

I understand why sound was not coming out of my spekers. I understand the computer settings now.

Since everything seems to be working now, I'm just trying to find the right software. So, it seems that my two options are Cubase and Cakewalk. Are there any other programs that would be good for my needs? Thanks.
 
I love Little Feat too, Lowell was one of my all-time favorites.

The big three standard audio/MIDI multitrackers for PC are Cakewalk's SONAR, Steinberg's Cubase, and eMagic's Logic. But eMagic was bought by Apple recently and soon after announce that they are ceasing development on the PC version of Logic, so it's probably not a great choice. These three all have extensive MIDI capabilities, as they evolved from original versions that were purely MIDI sequencers. Using MIDI instruments for backing tracks (drums, bass, keys, etc.) is perhaps the most powerful means of being a one-man band as you describe wanting to do.

There are others that began their lives as predominantly audio recording applications, notably CoolEdit Pro and n-Track, that have MIDI capabilites too. There are probably many others I have not heard of.

Then there are the things like Sonic Foundry's ACID, or Cakewalk's FruitLoops, that are more oriented towards building tracks out of loops (small snippets of digital audio that are looped to repeat over and over again) and patterns. Some people find these really easy to use to compose and generate backing tracks, but with audio loops you have less control over the details and the actual sound -- you are essentially cutting and pasting pre-existing bits.

Finally, there are pattern-generating packages like Band In a Box or Jammer, where you choose a musical style, a tempo, a set of instruments, and enter in the chord names in a grid, and the software builds an instant set of backing parts -- bass, drums, keyboards, strings, etc.

The lines between all these applications become blurrier all the time. SONAR, for example, added ACID-like looping features in its initial release, and it and its predecessor, Pro Audio, have long had a way of assembling sets of MIDI drum patterns to create backing tracks (I'm talking about the Session Drummer). And the newer versions of Band In A Box allow you to record an audio track or two along with the song you build, and it'll even improvise solos for you.

Best thing is toi get a sense of how of what method of working seems the most sensible to you and try to find someone that can demo it for you.

Good luck!
 
Wow!!

Thanks a lot. It seems like Cubase or Sonar will be my best bet. I mainly want to be able to record guitar/drums/bass/keyboard stuff, but I'd also like to do some Midi stuff (for songwriting). Having "drum machine" capabilities is really important for my desire to create unique rhythm patterns. What do I need in addition to either Cubase or Sonar in order to have Midi capabilities? I'm thinking I need a Midi Keyboard and a Rackmount Midi Effects processor. Is this correct? Can I do without the Keyboard (can I use the computer to access the sounds?). Thanks a million.

BTW- I have a classic McIntosh MC60 tube power amplifier on ebay right now, and it's only at $710. Anybody interested?

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You need
  • a MIDI interface to get MIDI messages into and out of the computer
  • some way of creating the MIDI messages (usually via playing a keyboard as you record the MIDI data it spits out)
  • something to respond to the MIDI messages you record with an actual sound -- a syntheziser, drum machine, whatever

The OMNI does not have a MIDI Interface, but if your Dell's original sound hardware is not disabled, there's probably a MIDI interface there -- it's usually coupled with the game port and you typically need a special MIDI-to-gameport adapter. Otherwise you need to get something. They come in a variety of types, some that use your computer's serial port, some that use the USB port, and others that require a card slot (these are rare now, I think). They range from $50 or so for a simple single-port (1 in, 1 out) interface up to $400 or more for a rack-mounted pro interface with eight separate MIDI ports (8 in, 8 out) and a SMPTE interface for synchronizing to audio and video tape, etc.

The most flexible way of creating MIDI files is to use a MIDI keyboard. You can get one that is just a controller (that is, one that sends off MIDI messages but contains no sounds of its own) or one that has a simple bunch of presets or one that has a great deal of control over its sounds. The latter would be what you craved if you were a keyboardist and you wanted to program the thing six ways to Sunday to create all kinds of interesting original sounds. Usually for making demos of standard stuff (bass/drums/piano and other instruments that sound like real instruments), a simple keyboard with good standard sounds is all you really need.

If you have something like SONAR or Cubase, they come bundled with software synthesizers that you can access through plug-in architectures (DirectX for SONAR, VST for Cubase). So the computer itself can be the sound source too. But note that to do this sucessfully you usually need a fast computer with plenty of RAM, and you'll get fewer tracks because you're spreading the computer's resources around more. Also the soundcard needs to have ASIO (for Cubase) and/or WDM (for SONAR) drivers available for it if you want to be able to play the softsynths in real time without a noticeable lag (though once the MIDI data has been recorded you can play back sequences just fine with an old-fashioned MME driver). The OMNI, as far as I know, supports both WDM and ASIO.

Most consumer soundcards contain some sort of MIDI synth, but these are usually unsastifactory, unless they are like the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz or Montego or the SoundBlaster Live or Audigy. These cards can load sound sets in addition to or in place of the standard sounds, and there are many really good ones available that can make a huge difference in the quality of your results.

One thing that you might consider is something like M-Audio's Oygen controller. It's a small keyboard and some other buttons and sliders and stuff which you can assign MIDI messages to (like volume messages and patch changes and the like), has a built-in MIDI interface, and connects to your PC with a USB or serial connector.

If you don't have a keyboard, you can create MIDI messages in a variety of ways -- you can enter the notes in one by one, for example, or edit existing ones to have different pitches. But this is really tedious and I think you'll find that some sort of controller keyboard at least is essential. (There might be something that allows your PC keyboard to be used as if it were a simple controller keyboard, but I suspect you'll be left with songs whose notes are all the same volume, since the keys don't sense how hard you hit them, and you'll end up needing to edit the note volumes to make it sound realistic.)

Finally, you mentioned that you think you need "a Rackmount Midi Effects processor." What for? These are usually effects devices -- reverbs, delays, chorusing, flanging, etc. -- that can be controlled at least to come degree by sending MIDI messages to them. For example, you could configure a MIDI footswitch to send a message for the device to switch from effects program #12 ro effects program #27, or perhaps send a series of messages to increase the wet mix of the reverb over a period of time... (these messages can also be recorded and played back with sequencing software). But this is certainly not something you need at all unless you like to change your guitar effects dynamically.
 
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