old "Star" drum kit, is it worth any money?

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hello, I ve got this old drum kit (more than 30 years old), its Star (the old Tama) does anyone know what its worth today, and how much i could sell it for? the only thing thats wrong with the kit is that the tom joints have gone a bit lose, but can be fixed apart from that everything else is fine even the low tom has its original star leather on :) i ve been looking one the net but cant find any information so i guess its a rare thing nowdays....maybe a museum would be intrested :)
 

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I just got a 3pc (Rack, Floor, Kick) early 70's Tempro kit for like $70 here at a secondhand used music store. I would think if they were in absolute mint condition with original heads etc that you could get a couple hundred for them - But it looks like you're missing all of the bottom hoops and hardware (pretty common as that's how they played 'em in the 70's unless you were a jazzer). Just because it's "vintage" doesn't mean big bucks, these weren't the best quality in the first place, sooooooooo...

I'd like to see a better pic of that finish, tho!

More info here, maybe:

http://www.vintagesnaredrums.com/japanese_list_of_drums.html
 
in general how much would you guys pay for a cool non-brand name old kit from the 60s/70s?

I guess it depends on if it has heads, condition etc but let's say a decent condition japanese 4 piece kit from 1970 in orange sparkle with new heads and no cymbals/hardware?

I know "it depends it depends" but ballpark me here people... 200-300? What would make it worth more? A huge kick? A jazz kit? country of origin?
 
I'd agree with the author of that info on that website, between $200 or $300... It depends on what the value is to you, as well. I'd at least make sure that the hardware was solid, (look at the bearing edges on the toms and snare if possible as this is what they seem to cut the corners on for some of these kits) as $300 will buy you a pretty damn good used current-era kit on craigslist in the USA... It may not have the 'cool vibe' tho.

I got these Tempro's on the cheap because they needed a complete reheading ($60-$100) as all the heads were shot, rack tom hardware (???) new steel hoop w/ matching inlay for the front side of the bass drum (at least $40), T-Rods and claws for the front head (???) new kick drum spurs (at least $30), bearing edges (price varies).

In the end, though, I am going to have a Ringo/Beatles vibe kit that I will feel confident gigging with. I just wish I could find an original hoop w/matching inlay and the claws and T-Rods. At the same time, I am proud that I finally own a "vintage" kit, in the same weird way that I'd rather own an offbrand vintage tube accordion amp, or a vintage Tokai Stratocaster or Gold Top LP copy than the real thing.
 
hello, I ve got this old drum kit (more than 30 years old), its Star (the old Tama) does anyone know what its worth today, and how much i could sell it for? the only thing thats wrong with the kit is that the tom joints have gone a bit lose, but can be fixed apart from that everything else is fine even the low tom has its original star leather on :) i ve been looking one the net but cant find any information so i guess its a rare thing nowdays....maybe a museum would be intrested :)


They are worth about $100 to $250 since you don't have all the original hardware.

Here is the site you are looking for. These drums don't fall under "vintage" or "antique" labels because they were basically low grade sets, with cheap hardware.

http://georgesdrumshop.com/museum.asp


Tim
 
I think that's a gross generalisation. My Tempro kit has decent hardware as far as hoops, rods and lugs. The mounting hardware is not so great compared to today's, I'll give you that, but in context...

Vintage isn't necessarily a label, and is taken to mean 'older' in some instances.
(usually when people use that word as a label they are looking to jack the price up:D)
 
I think that's a gross generalisation. My Tempro kit has decent hardware as far as hoops, rods and lugs. The mounting hardware is not so great compared to today's, I'll give you that, but in context...

Vintage isn't necessarily a label, and is taken to mean 'older' in some instances.
(usually when people use that word as a label they are looking to jack the price up:D)

Take your drumkit into a pro drum shop, one that deals in used gear, repairs drums, and things like that and ask them if it's a vintage drumkit.

They will laugh you out the door.

These drum sets were basically toys for kids.

I had one. I had a Star kit and a Stewart kit that I picked up. I used to buy cheap drum sets and fix them up and sell them. That's how I practiced cutting bearing edges with a router.

You can have work done to them to get them to the point where you can rally use them, but the reality is - the shells were made from the lowest grade wood available.



Tim
 
To answer the original question: A fair price for this kit is about $100-$200. Star was absorbed by Tama. Star drums were cheap student model drums of poor quality. But they look cool and if the shells are still round and the edges are in decent shape you should be able to get a usable sound out of them.

Take your drumkit into a pro drum shop, one that deals in used gear, repairs drums, and things like that and ask them if it's a vintage drumkit.

They will laugh you out the door.

How charming you are!!!

Hi. My name is Joe and I used to work at a pro drum shop that deals in used and new gear, repairs and builds drums, and has a large education department. Among other things, I managed all consignment sales.

You're confusing vintage with quality. Something that is vintage is old and does not speak to the quality of the item. Star kits are indeed vintage. They are also crappy.
vintage = old
vintage does not necessarily = good
A 30 year old pile of poop is vintage poop.
Engris is ahard wrangwedge.
 
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lol... charmed, indeed.

If I took this to the local drum shop, they wouldn't laugh me out the door, they would say "cool looking off-brand vintage kit, dude, how does it sound?" But then, this is the upper midwest, where there is way less attitude.

The reality is, it sounds much better than both the pos Pearl Export "All Black" kit I bought a few years ago, and sold in a hurry... and the nice looking but drastically overpriced Gretsch Club Catalina that went back to GC in three days early last year. That kit was a toy, and both had the benefit of nice wood for the shells, decent bearing edges and proper hardware. BUT, as a result of those two purchases, I now look in the used bin before buying new, and sometimes find some really nice stuff - on brand or off.

I have played quite a few different kits in this lifetime, some that would now be considered 'vintage' as in 'fine wine' and some that are just 'vintage' but my bottom line is: if it sounds good, tunes up easily and stays there and doesn't fall apart when you play it, then it's not a toy, and not crap, no matter what the shells are made of.

Oh, and I forgot to ask this very important question: Tim, do you like Tom Waits?
 
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lol... charmed, indeed.

If I took this to the local drum shop, they wouldn't laugh me out the door, they would say "cool looking off-brand vintage kit, dude, how does it sound?"

The reality is, it sounds much better than both the pos Pearl Export "All Black" kit I bought a few years ago, and sold in a hurry... and the nice looking but drastically overpriced Gretsch Club Catalina that went back to GC in three days early last year. That kit was a toy, and both had the benefit of nice wood for the shells, decent bearing edges and proper hardware. BUT, as a result of those two purchases, I now look in the used bin before buying new, and sometimes find some really nice stuff - on brand or off.

I have played quite a few different kits in this lifetime, some that would now be considered 'vintage' as in 'fine wine' and some that are just 'vintage' but my bottom line is: if it sounds good, tunes up easily and stays there and doesn't fall apart when you play it, then it's not a toy, and not crap, no matter what the shells are made of.

Oh, and I forgot to ask this very important question: Tim, do you like Tom Waits?

As a writer, singer, or actor?

LOL

As a writer he's okay, as a singer, eh- I could take him or leave him. As an actor I think he's pretty good.

I'm not charming, by the way.:p

To me, as somebody who repaired drums for 18 years, vintage insinuates that it is actually worth something. For example, one of my mom's friends has an original Beatles' era Ringo Ludwig 4-piece kit in a closet at her house. Her son got it when he graduated High School in the 1960's - he played it for a year before he was killed at 19 in a motorcycle wreck. The set has never left her house - ever. It's been in a closet since 1967. It's got the original heads on it, and she even still has the freaking price-tag that was on the set.

To me, THAT is a vintage kit.

A lot of people have older gear and think that they have a gem that's worth thousands, and that was the point I was trying to make. These old sets have real no monetary value.
Sure, if you want to invest $750 in the set, you could bring it up to par with new hardware, new bearing edges, etc to make it a player, but based upon the brand, it still isn't really worth anything because the shell are junk, and the hardware isn't even as good as the cheaper stuff that is out there today.

But my question would be "Why would you want to?" I'd rather put the $750+ toward a used name kit, or in my personal thinking, toward shells and hardware from Drum supply house (drummaker:com) or precision drum, and put a kit together myself.

I have taken the hoops and lugs off of one of these older economy shells, and literally seen it come apart because there was nothing actually holding it together once the lugs came off.:rolleyes:

That is the point I'm trying to make.

Also, a forum member wrote to me asking about cutting bearing edges.

I'll tell you basically what I told him.

If you like this kit, or somebody has one of these kits, and you want new bearing edges on it - either take it to a pro to have the edges cut, or buy some other crappy single drums to practice cutting edges on, because you are not going to get it right the first time.
Trust me - I screwed up a lot of shells practicing, and I knew what I was doing with a router - I was a professional woodworker for quite awhile prior to trying to cut my first bearing edge. (Norm Abrams from This Old House and New Yankee Workshop was my hero when it came to woodworking. LOL )

Try to get them for as cheap as you can, and just consider the price of these other shells the cost of learning.



Tim
 
lol... charmed, indeed.

If I took this to the local drum shop, they wouldn't laugh me out the door, they would say "cool looking off-brand vintage kit, dude, how does it sound?" But then, this is the upper midwest, where there is way less attitude.

As a former vintage drum enthusiast/dealer if you came to me with your kit I would say cool. I think Zimgar and Star later became the Tama brand (which is why most Tama drums have the word Star attached to the line.) But these are what they are. Cheap old drums. I saw maybe 50 to 75 of these sets in my travles of house, garage sales and newspaper ads. It appears by what I can see in the picure these drums are pretty used. Are there any tears in the finish? With no attitude involved if I was looking at this kit I would have offered you no more than $50 for it. If you like the way they sound and enjoy playing them then that's all the value in the world. Two complely different animals. You may have a harder time in the Midwest than here on the east coast but I would guess with a little searching you can probably find more sets like this to find your missing hardware. Love them, and enjoy them. That's what the drums are for.
 
In common practice....

The word "vintage" is used to denote a collectible where it is in either complete original state or it has been restored using only replacement parts that are from the original item of that vintage. Reproduction parts can occasionally be used without destroying the "vintage" label, but if too much of the item has been replaced with reproduction parts, then it can only be offered as an item that has been restored using reproduction parts. This criteria is used in almost all areas of buying and selling collectibles. The Star kits were very cheap starter kits for people that couldn't afford a more expensive thicker shelled kit with better hardware. They were great for those of us "poor folks" that wanted a kit that they could play, and couldn't afford better. There is nothing wrong with these kits, it's just that they were not of a high quality. As a collectible, they would only be of interest as a nostalgia item or as a curiosity, and it would not usually be sold as a "vintage" kit unless it was absolutely "cherry" with all of it's original parts and then you MAY get as much as $300 for the kit if you found a buyer that really wanted it. It technically could be sold as a vintage kit, but it would be like trying to sell a "cherry" Yugo (which may have some interest to collectors in the future as a curiosity, but certainly not as a quality, vintage automobile.)
 
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