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ok well i am about ready to buy a new computer and i want to buy a good one, my choices are mac or windows/linux. i have looked at and now worked with an imac and loved it! i could run garage bands and get great recordings right off the bat. the one i was working on was the bottom of the line imac... i am thinking of upgrading the RAM.using an 80GB drive is not bad i can always run a firewire drive if i have to do that, i am also thinking of the Mbox. although what i record is mostly acoustic guitars and vocals with dobro and mando thrown in as well as some violin, so i will not need a large amount of synth stuff.... although i want to be able to do so if need be. my brother builds computers and has said he will help me build an AMD64 based computer with bells and whistles and all that happy good stuff but..... I HATE WINDOWS! spyware virus crap sucky platform, people say "oh just get a good firewall!" bullshit! i do not want that, i do not want to have to use a firewall! gagbabit what do you guys think i can get away with? i need something to do photo work and small things like that for my website but other than that what do i need? will an imac work? it looks as though people have mixed feelings about them here on the board, like i said "i hate windows" :rolleyes:
thanks guys
 
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If you 'hate windows', spend the extra $$$s and get a mac
 
Damn, man, learn how to use a period to construct coherent sentences. I almost gave up reading the entire post, and it reminded me of my grandma's ravings. Trust me, learn how to construct a logical post and you'll probably get more responses.

Don't people learn how to write anymore?

What Bulls Hit said, get a mac.
 
-get a mac if you like it
-if you hate windows only 'cause of spyware and viruses.....THEN DON'T USE THE INTERNET ON IT (duh)
-and linux...there really isn't much (if any) audio programs that are supported on it.
 
If you think you can run linux or osx without a firewall, think again. And if you want to work without the internet, use pigeon post.

Sorry for being a bit rude, but you sound both naive and looking for an excuse to buy a mac. You don't want windows, fine why not. You like a mac, again why not. It seems you already made your mind, so follow it.

If you have the time to learn it and don't care what you make music with, linux can do it. But that route won't be instant gratification.
 
Ok, Im hoping to try and stop this post before it turns into a "Mac Vs PC" argument.. So please people, dont start another one of these....
 
Too much coffee and no sleep are a bad combination.


You've already made up your mind, it seems, so why bother with the post? No one can talk you out of something if you have already made the decision...


Seems like a waste of time.
 
ok guys

ok guys thanks for the ideas. last night i was on a buzz from playing a set of rock songs. and then i headed over to the computer store and played with a mac for an hour. i have worked with windows to get started and i have used a bunch of software to see what i like, i have used some Linux computers as well, the audio they have is starting to get pretty nice.... but not pro level by any means. Ardour is getting pretty nice i hear. and audacity is working on it as well.
the thing is i have had windows offline on my studio computer. and it still screws itself up, its been set up to work its best and i work on my computer every three days to make it clean and defragment the disk. but the thing is windows is unstable :( i wish it was not its easy to use as computers go :rolleyes: the mac is a fine machine i have enjoyed working on one already and think that i would get my money back out of it through the work i could do on it. now the other thing is macs are very quiet computers which is a big plus for me( i record myself and i have to do it in the same room with the fan :rolleyes: ) and like i said just with the basic recording software you get with the computer i was able to record some stuff that sounded darn good.
if i do roll with another windows computer i have been thinking about something like the XPC mini tower style computer, i also tried one out at Sam Ash and it was a very fine PC, with some nice hardware i think it would run like a champ in studio. i am not saying windows is a bad platform i am saying its a weak one though ;) can any of you tell of a good windows machine to work with off the shelf? no dells please :D thanks again guys.


oh PS. i edited my first post. hope that makes you happy.....
 
I have used both mac and PC, mac is crap, matter of fact i am selling my g4 protools rig, i dont like it, never will, the compressors are lossy the eq's are jumpy, protools never did it for me.

But thats just one opinion.
 
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d(-_-)b-Phones said:
I have used both mac and PC, mac is crap, matter of fact i am selling my g4 protools rig, i dont like it, never will, the compressors are lossy the eq's are jumpy, protools never did it for me.

But thats just one opinion.
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may i ask what kind of music you record? i have heard people that like Pro Tools and people who don't like them. but i have never heard much of a reason why :confused:
 
I record mosly Alternative music, but alternative spans from really heavy to stuff more like elliot smith.

My main reason for not liking protools are:

#1 User interface

Protools seems like it was designed to annoy you more than anything, manuel switching with mouse from tool to tool is like dragging teeth on a street. they need more updated key Commands and they need to better the interface.

#2 Quality.

Everyone rants and raves about pro tools quality that i just cant find, sure they have one billion plugins you can buy after you sell your house and dog and car and put your woman on the corner, but the fact is, i used protools for some time and was fairly happy with the quality, then I purchased Nuendo, and was floored, i wanted to take everything i did in pro tools and travel back in time and repeat the process with nuendo, this is an issue i cannot explain so well with words, somthing you would need to hear.

#3 Crashes.

Protools is extreemly unstable, I was running a g4 duel 800mhz with 3gig of ram and a nice case to boot, I would be working on a mix all morning and go in for a quick bite to eat and poof, come back and it would not play, you would push play and it would start and stop, I thought i was doing somthing wrong for the longest time, so i contacted a buddy of mine that does a ton of protools work in the industry and he said that was and still is a common problem with protools on MAC, so i just would start saving every 2 seconds or everytime i moved an EQ, then there were uncommon crashes where out of the blue poof, everything gone, and gone some more. that being somthing i could not handle doing mixes per hour.

#4 Price.

I somewhat covered this in pun eairler but the prices for protools equipment is insane, I did spend $2000 On Nuendo, and i know thats alot of money to most anyone, but $2000 and a nice $1000 PC with a $700 audio card will set you straight, now for some math. 2000 + 1000 + 700 = $3700, that would not even cover the cost of the MAC you would want to buy to run protools, not to mention you would need to buy a hardware and software bundle to run protools on your MAC, and depending on what you could afford would make or break your ability, and i dont think thats cool, and again no.


Those are my top 4 reasons, keep in mind I am very opinionated and this protools was for mac, I have never nor have i ever wanted to work with protools for PC, my brother is in Fullsail right now and they use protools on PC because of the crash issue with MAC. so maybe one is better than the other.
 
You will find plenty of people around here willing to rant about their favorite platform or OS, but few will really tell you that it simply doesn't matter anymore. Windows XP can be configured to be stable and run forever. My desktop computer is a PC that has been running the same installation of XP for 1 1/2 years with no issues, and no crashes. I have an audiophile 2496 in it and have been using SONAR to record and it is lovely. That being said, it takes some work to configure XP to be this stable, and being very careful with what you install on the machine.

My laptop is an iBook g4 and I LOVE it. I use an Omnistudio USB with it and record to an external firewire drive because the notebook drive is too slow, and it does everything well and I have no problems.

The bottom line is, figure out which one you like best and use that. If you like mac best then you will end up doing your best work on the mac, simply because the OS isn't annoying you while you work. From what you have posted here, it seems like you want to go with the iMac and that you obviously don't like Windows, so go and spend the money. You won't regret it. I consider buying my iBook the best choice I have ever made.
 
I agree with Sonny 100% work with what you like. What your more comfortable with the end result will be that you did your best and were not annoyed while working. it makes obvious sense to use what you like, alot of people will have alot of sepirate opinions, like myself. If there is a specific reason you " Hate " XP, well let it be known, I would imgine you dont hate it because your X had it. so talk it up. what are your reasons for completely hating XP, and i dont want to hear " because Bill Gates....."


And I am not buying this spyware/virus thing one bit, Mac's are just as vulnerable and Compromised every day. and my Tip of the year to you is.

TIP OF THE YEAR: When your trying to run a Audio PC, Dont goto porn sites, dont gamble online. and dont DL stolen sofware.

If you cant figure out the basics of avoiding spyware, and spyware removal, I am afraid a MAC is going to kill you.
 
Second post: Please dont make this into a Mac Vs Pc argument which it is slowly turning into. Everyone has their own opinions and theyre own favourite systems, lets leave it at that....PLEASE!!!
 
One more thing then i'll go....

Build your own PC, if you have Money to spend, spend it, some good specs are.

Duel 2.4 Celeron Processors
3gigs of DDR ram
Nividia Pro Mother board ( supporting duel )
3x 80gig Hardrives ( the drives are large enuf to hold alot but its not a slow bulky 300gig)
Hammerfall HDSP Audio card ( made by RME )
Radeon x800 256mb Video/graphics card
Windows XP Pro
NO MODEM
you will also need a power supply, keyboard, mouse, monitor, monitors,and a desk.

If you dont have alot of cash again build your own.

2.4ghz AMD processor
1024mb DDR ram
Nividia Nforce Motherboard
Nivida 5700le Videocard
Hammerfall HDSP audio card ( can you tell i like this thing )
NO MODEM
Windows XP home
again you will need a power supply etc etc etc.

Not only do i tell people to build their own computers it is THE ONLY WAY, if you wantto get good quality out of a tower PC your going to need to order all the parts and put it together, Computers are ez to build, about as hard as putting together one of those big 12 peice kids puzzles.

If you dont build your own you are wasting money, and not getting the best product for your buck, and that is a fother mucking FACT.

Here are some good places to start..

www.newegg.com
www.pricewatch.com
www.tigerdirect.com
www.rme.com

good luck.

PS tif- I dont hate MAC i hate protools. Pay attention.
 
Oh im sorry, let me revamp what simple comprehension should have taken care of.

This is a recording forum. I was Focusing on Protools with mac, Protools Rig, Protools + Mac = Crap.

Mac Is good for somthing im sure. I just have not found it yet.
 
d(-_-)b-Phones said:
I have used both mac and PC, mac is crap, matter of fact i am selling my g4 protools rig, i dont like it, never will, the compressors are lossy the eq's are jumpy, protools never did it for me.

But thats just one opinion.
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I think with that quote, Its pretty obvious, Unless your mac came with compressors and EQ's
 
Again, i could come back with something, but like ive said, i dont want to start a Mac Vs PC argument. You like PCs, i like Macs, everyone has their point of view, lets leave it at that. Forums (Especially this one!) run smoothly with everyone helping each other out, lets forget about it ok?

Peace :)
 
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