nylon string mic

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I want a better mic than the AKG C1000 I'm using at present on my nylon-string beauty, which I close-mic. I like the AKG better than my Rode NT-1, so maybe I'm looking for a small diaphragm condensor. About $500. I don't think the AT 4033 or 4050 - I've got this idea that would be a better mic for vocals. Dunno. Whaddayathink?
 
I don't have any personal experience with it, but I think the MC012 would work well. Electronic Musician sure liked it on acoustic steel string when they did their extensive small condensor mic shootout awhile back. In fact, in all applications the Oktava held its own against (or out performed) small condensors costing up to 4-times as much. The four shootout judges, as I remember, had very good credentials.
 
Tdukex, thanks for your response. Damn, that MC012 keeps coming back like something that won't be ignored. It's interesting what you say about it being so favorably reviewed by the people at Electronic Musician. Less than a year ago, I was T-H-A-T C-L-O-S-E to getting one, had contacted the Sound Room about shipping prices and all that, when I came across an article in Recording magazine written by Paul Stamler, who reviewed the MC012 very positively, among others. (As you know if you've ever read that magazine, the reviews seldom have much or anything negative to say about the products they cover.) About the Oktava, he said:

"Drawbacks? Only a few. The most notable problem is with acoustic guitars: the MC012 has problems with some Martins, particularly the large-bodied dreadnoughts, and with lower priced instruments such as Alvarez and Yamaha that are based on Martin designs. The radiation pattern on these guitars doesn't mesh with the Oktava; the bass frequencies 'woof out', and no eq will fix them."

He added, as did our very own Recording Engineer later on, that this problem can be solved using the omni capsule. Well, because I sing and play at the same time, omni's not as good as cardiod, so I rejected that idea. And for me, boominess is the biggest problem recording acoustic, which because of my recording situation, has to be close-miked - and so the prospect of a boomy mic scared me off.

I want a cardioid that I can work close to the guitar, not too much proximity effect (no need for EQ), clear without being brittle. I'm fearful that the Oktava can't do that. But I reckon for about $500, there *is* a mic that can.
 
Dobro, I think the issue of EM that had the shootout was March 2000. If you can get a copy, it's a great read, and there were other mics in your price range as well. You might also send R.E. an email and ask him about other possibilities, like Elation, maybe. He's always been gracious anytime I've had a question.

Good luck
 
YO DOBRO: [wHERE HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING?]

Hey man, check out the Yorkville Apex 430; made in Canada and can be had for around 166 pezzutos in Estados Unidos.

They also make the Apex 420 which sells for more money but I think both mics are about the same; one comes with the shock mount and is more expensive.

I just plugged in the Yorkville Monitors. For the price, they are out of sight. They make the Alesis monitors sound like two dixie cups with string.

May all be well in the New Chinese Year.

Green Hornet
 
I don't have much to compare it to, but I've gotten good results using my AT4047 on my nylon string. (I use it for vocals too.) I test drove the 4047 against the 4033 and 4050, and I thought it was clearly better. The cost is in between the two (it's less than the 4050 because it has only the single pattern). I position it about 6" away at about a 30 degree angle from the soundhole.

As I understand it, people recommend small condensor mics for acoustic guitar to get a crisper sound, whereas the large condensors give you a fuller sound -- which is probably what you want playing solo with a nylon string.

Anyway, you can hear what I ended up with at http://www.mp3.com/LarryKolker or at Garage Band (I don't have my link handy, artist name is Larry Kolker).
 
Hey Dobro. I contacted one of the authors of the microphone cabinet article in Electronic Musician when it was published with the same question about a good mic to record a nylon-string classical guitar. He indicated his first choice would be a Crown CM700 and secondly, the Octava MC012. I got the Crown ($200) and am VERY pleased with it. I use it in a close-mic setup.
 
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