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E-money
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I'm setting up a dual CPU machine to run Sonar, and I plan on running it dual bootable between 2000 and 98. Does Sonar benefit form either NTFS or FAT32 disk formatting? What are the pros and cons?
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A1MixMan
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Check out this article on NTFS.
It's technical but go to the bottem and look at the chart, it gives some comparisions.
I would stick with whatever Win 2000 recomends. Which I think would be NTFS.
Good Luck, A1MixMan
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ntfs/
Keep us posted on your dual boot machine as i'm very interested in doing it myself. With dual monitors of course!
It's technical but go to the bottem and look at the chart, it gives some comparisions.
I would stick with whatever Win 2000 recomends. Which I think would be NTFS.
Good Luck, A1MixMan
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ntfs/
Keep us posted on your dual boot machine as i'm very interested in doing it myself. With dual monitors of course!
heinz
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NTFS is a superior file system for Win2k. But it is not compatible with Win98, so dual boot will not work with NTFS.
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CrIdD
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hi heinz,
would a dual boot with two copys of win2000 work with the NTFS?
also if you have two hard disks, the first one containg the dual boot partitions and the second one for adio data only.... would you partition both hard drives with the NTFS format...or is it better to use the FAT32 one drive and the NTFS on the other?
would a dual boot with two copys of win2000 work with the NTFS?
also if you have two hard disks, the first one containg the dual boot partitions and the second one for adio data only.... would you partition both hard drives with the NTFS format...or is it better to use the FAT32 one drive and the NTFS on the other?
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brzilian
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Ok, I'm trying to understand why you would want 2 installations of Win2k on your computer.
Win2k can read both NTFS and FAT32 partitions. You just cant go the other way with Win98.
You can set up a dual boot system and Win2k will see your FAT32 and NTFS partitions. Win98 will only see the FAT32.
Why do you need Win98? Everything that runs in 98 nowadays runs well, if not better in Win2k.
Win2k can read both NTFS and FAT32 partitions. You just cant go the other way with Win98.
You can set up a dual boot system and Win2k will see your FAT32 and NTFS partitions. Win98 will only see the FAT32.
Why do you need Win98? Everything that runs in 98 nowadays runs well, if not better in Win2k.
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CrIdD
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brzilian,
i was planning on running a dual boot system, installing win2k on 1 C: partition for audio apps only, then install the same operating system on the second C: partition for my internet,virus scan, and other junk only. i want to use 2000 on both partitions simply because i dont need or want to use any other operating system. i want the dual boot system to keep my internet and regular software from being visible to my audio programs, to keep things running as smooth as possible.
is this abnormel or not a good idea ?
cridd
i was planning on running a dual boot system, installing win2k on 1 C: partition for audio apps only, then install the same operating system on the second C: partition for my internet,virus scan, and other junk only. i want to use 2000 on both partitions simply because i dont need or want to use any other operating system. i want the dual boot system to keep my internet and regular software from being visible to my audio programs, to keep things running as smooth as possible.
is this abnormel or not a good idea ?
cridd
heinz
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If you only plan to run Win2k O/S(s) then go NTFS.
If I may be so bold I do not believe you will gain the advantage you seek by keeping your internet/etc. applications on a separate hard drive & boot o/s than your audio applications.
In Win2k you will get true multithreaded multitasking so even if a program dies while running it doesn't step on other ones. So there's no reason not to keep your applications & o/s on one drive or partition, and your audio data on a separate one.
This way you don't burn a gig to have 2 duplicate operating systems installed.
If I may be so bold I do not believe you will gain the advantage you seek by keeping your internet/etc. applications on a separate hard drive & boot o/s than your audio applications.
In Win2k you will get true multithreaded multitasking so even if a program dies while running it doesn't step on other ones. So there's no reason not to keep your applications & o/s on one drive or partition, and your audio data on a separate one.
This way you don't burn a gig to have 2 duplicate operating systems installed.
crosstudio
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it's also unncecessary to create 2 bootable disks because your programs reside in memory while they are running, so if you don't start them then they don't trample on your audio app...
unless (and there's always an unless) you have apps that run in the background or are automatically started at bootup. in which case, simply disable the startup of those apps so that you boot up clean.
the only thing to consider with regard to NTFS is backward compatability. if you decide that you don't like win2k and want to go back to win98 you can't do it without re-formatting the disk. i just went through that 2 months ago.
if there's any chance that you'll change your mind stick to fat32.
unless (and there's always an unless) you have apps that run in the background or are automatically started at bootup. in which case, simply disable the startup of those apps so that you boot up clean.
the only thing to consider with regard to NTFS is backward compatability. if you decide that you don't like win2k and want to go back to win98 you can't do it without re-formatting the disk. i just went through that 2 months ago.
if there's any chance that you'll change your mind stick to fat32.
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CrIdD
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hi guys,
thanks for your input, im fairly new to computer audio and youradvice is important to me.
but heinz, just trying to clarrify something. im assuming you thought i was going to put 1 win2000 on 1 hard drive with reguler apps, and then another win2000 on a second hard drive for audio apps, if this is what you were thinking, its not really the case.
i plan to use a program like partition magic, what intend to do is,
example:
Hard drive 1 - 40 gb:
C: win 2000 + sonar & soundforge only
C: win2000 + standard programs
D: audio storage (visible to each C
Hard drive 2 - 40gb:
E: audio storage
from what i understand, partition majic will hide the one C: drive from the other, for example, when you open your audio o.s. you can see and access the D: and E: drives but will not beable to see the other C: drive.
this in return helps to keep anything running in the background like virus scans , word or what ever from interfeering with the audio apps and also keeps files from corrupting eachother from incombatability issues.
does this make more sence?
cridd
thanks for your input, im fairly new to computer audio and youradvice is important to me.
but heinz, just trying to clarrify something. im assuming you thought i was going to put 1 win2000 on 1 hard drive with reguler apps, and then another win2000 on a second hard drive for audio apps, if this is what you were thinking, its not really the case.
i plan to use a program like partition magic, what intend to do is,
example:
Hard drive 1 - 40 gb:
C: win 2000 + sonar & soundforge only
C: win2000 + standard programs
D: audio storage (visible to each C
Hard drive 2 - 40gb:
E: audio storage
from what i understand, partition majic will hide the one C: drive from the other, for example, when you open your audio o.s. you can see and access the D: and E: drives but will not beable to see the other C: drive.
this in return helps to keep anything running in the background like virus scans , word or what ever from interfeering with the audio apps and also keeps files from corrupting eachother from incombatability issues.
does this make more sence?
cridd
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CrIdD
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ok... who put that happy face there?
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brzilian
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It really will not benefit you to have 2 separate instalations of Win2k. I use my computer for music recording, 3D Animation, Video Capture and all the other stuff with one OS and there are not problems. You are just wasting disk space by doing this. Windows 2000 is not a cheesy little OS like Win98 and was meant to handle what you want to throw at it all at once.
If you are not running a virus scan or using Word while using Sonar, there is no problem. If you have programs running in the taskbar, simply close them before running Sonar.
If you are not running a virus scan or using Word while using Sonar, there is no problem. If you have programs running in the taskbar, simply close them before running Sonar.
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CrIdD
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Thanks for replying brzilian,
So is it just the programs that run in the background that effect audio app. performance ? I was under the impression that it was just having the other software ( word, virus scan,internet) on the same partition that can cause problems with audio apps. Simply disabeling them from the toolbar will fix this?
Also while were on the subject... what is your suggestion on partitioning 2 hard drives? I have two 40gb's
something like this?
drive 1: C: o.s and audio apps
D: misc. programs
drive2: E: audio data
how do you have yours set up?
So is it just the programs that run in the background that effect audio app. performance ? I was under the impression that it was just having the other software ( word, virus scan,internet) on the same partition that can cause problems with audio apps. Simply disabeling them from the toolbar will fix this?
Also while were on the subject... what is your suggestion on partitioning 2 hard drives? I have two 40gb's
something like this?
drive 1: C: o.s and audio apps
D: misc. programs
drive2: E: audio data
how do you have yours set up?
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A1MixMan
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Having other apps installed on the same drive can cause problems sometimes with conflicts because of driver issues and bad programing by the software authors. That's why you hear about people having a "dedicated" computer for their music system and another computer for all other apps.
In theory, this is great, but not many people can afford two computer setups.
For the most part, as long as your hard drive is fast, at least 7200 rpms, and defragmented often, most apps can be on the same partition with no ill effects.
If you can, having two hard drives is a good idea.
Having ALL apps including your OS on one drive, and keeping your audio data on another drive will help alot.
Plus it makes it easy to backup your "important" audio files with a CDr drive.
ANY app running in the "background" uses cpu cycles and can cause problems when playing or recording audio.
Screensavers, antivirus software, email programs that check for new mail every 5 minutes, or other software can cause problems.
Recording audio is stressful on a computer. Any way you can relieve the stress is good. Apps in the toolbar are preloaded to be ready to run quicker. If they are just on your hard drive they most likely won't affect your computer performance. (Unless they have corupted some files upon installing them).
On my system, I have removed every program from the startup menu. These are programs that load at StartUp, and take up cpu cycles.
My drives are set up like above.
Hope this "long ass" post helps.
Good luck, and keep making music!
A1MixMan
In theory, this is great, but not many people can afford two computer setups.
For the most part, as long as your hard drive is fast, at least 7200 rpms, and defragmented often, most apps can be on the same partition with no ill effects.
If you can, having two hard drives is a good idea.
Having ALL apps including your OS on one drive, and keeping your audio data on another drive will help alot.
Plus it makes it easy to backup your "important" audio files with a CDr drive.
ANY app running in the "background" uses cpu cycles and can cause problems when playing or recording audio.
Screensavers, antivirus software, email programs that check for new mail every 5 minutes, or other software can cause problems.
Recording audio is stressful on a computer. Any way you can relieve the stress is good. Apps in the toolbar are preloaded to be ready to run quicker. If they are just on your hard drive they most likely won't affect your computer performance. (Unless they have corupted some files upon installing them).
On my system, I have removed every program from the startup menu. These are programs that load at StartUp, and take up cpu cycles.
My drives are set up like above.
Hope this "long ass" post helps.
Good luck, and keep making music!
A1MixMan
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CrIdD
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That makes good sence A1.
Whats your oppinion on a dual boot system though? isnt it the next best thing to having two computers or is it just a waste of h.d. space?
my original plan was to make a dual boot system like this
HD 1 (40gb) - C:win2000, sonar, soundforge
C:win2000, internet,virus scan,other junk
D:storage visible to both C: partitions
HD 2 (40gb) - E:audio data
I appreciate any help, Thank You!
Whats your oppinion on a dual boot system though? isnt it the next best thing to having two computers or is it just a waste of h.d. space?
my original plan was to make a dual boot system like this
HD 1 (40gb) - C:win2000, sonar, soundforge
C:win2000, internet,virus scan,other junk
D:storage visible to both C: partitions
HD 2 (40gb) - E:audio data
I appreciate any help, Thank You!
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A1MixMan
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I don't know about that as I don't have Win2000.
I would think that you wound NOT need to do that with win2000.
Call the SCREEN SAVERS and ask them.
Or check their web site www.thescreensavers.com
I really don't know that one.
I would think that you wound NOT need to do that with win2000.
Call the SCREEN SAVERS and ask them.
Or check their web site www.thescreensavers.com
I really don't know that one.
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brzilian
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I haven't bothered with partitions in years. They were a good idea in the old days with FAT when cluster size increased with bigger partitions:
4k up to 420Mb
8k up to 800Mb
etc...
What that meant was that even if you had a 2k file, it took up 4k on your HD - it wasted alot of space.
FAT32 and NTFS fixed this problem and can handle huge amounts of disk space with no problems.
Basically, you can accomplish the same thing with directories that you want to do with partitions.
The only thing I do nowadays is disable all system sounds so they don't cause problems during recording.
In the grand sceme of things, audio is not even close to being as much as a resource hog as video is (128-256mbit/sec for audio versus 2Mb/sec for video). The only thing you have to worry about is making sure your soft synths get the processing power necessary to complete their tasks if you are using them - that would be more dependant on the processor you have and the amount of programs running in the background rather than the HD configuration.
Like I said, I just make sure most of the programs in my taskbar are disabled or closed.
4k up to 420Mb
8k up to 800Mb
etc...
What that meant was that even if you had a 2k file, it took up 4k on your HD - it wasted alot of space.
FAT32 and NTFS fixed this problem and can handle huge amounts of disk space with no problems.
Basically, you can accomplish the same thing with directories that you want to do with partitions.
The only thing I do nowadays is disable all system sounds so they don't cause problems during recording.
In the grand sceme of things, audio is not even close to being as much as a resource hog as video is (128-256mbit/sec for audio versus 2Mb/sec for video). The only thing you have to worry about is making sure your soft synths get the processing power necessary to complete their tasks if you are using them - that would be more dependant on the processor you have and the amount of programs running in the background rather than the HD configuration.
Like I said, I just make sure most of the programs in my taskbar are disabled or closed.