Non parallel walls-more than one reason to build them?

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Hello everyone, I found an acoustics website lastnight that has some interesting things to say, and as I read the following passage, something occured to me that I would like to ask about here. I know if we had an acoustician posting here, he would probably clarify this for me. It has to do with all the work people do to avoid standing waves(i.e.)non parallel walls. Maybe someone knows of other reasons for them, however this statement makes me wonder. here is the quote:

"Driving the room at a frequency which is not a resonance frequency(heading)

Standing wave patterns ONLY occur when the room is being driven at a resonance frequency. At any other frequency, the pressure waves radiating outwards from the source reflect from the walls, but do not combine to produce a standing wave. As a result, there are no nodes and antinodes, and the pressure can go to zero at a
wall. The maximum pressure never exceeds the source level (1) and the location of the pressure maximum moves with the source." unquote

Ok, not being anything but a studio wannabuildit, this implys, at least to my way of thinking, and which is probably wrong, that using non-parallel walls is a good idea to keep standing waves from occuring at the resonant frequency of the room. AND THATS
ALL. No other frequencys can generate standing waves. Soooooo........ Please clarify this for me, as even Mr. Everest suggests that there is a school of thought that a rectangular room is practical for a studio/control room.(I think,don't burn me at the stake on that). My question is, for the most part, is building non-parallel walls that important, so as to only prevent standing waves at the resonant frequency of the room. Or am I oversimpifying something that is inherently more complex than this quote implys. In my mind, the resonant frequency of the room is only the associated modes of that frequency, so how often would one assume that music being played in that room, generate that frequency. I seem to think that there is a general concensus of homebuilt studio owners, who think that non parallel walls are there to keep standing
waves from forming at all frequencys, not just the resonant frequency. Any insight into this subject or clarification in regards to building non parallel walls, would be greatly appreciated. I will say it again, I am NO EXPERT at this stuff, not even in my wildest dreams do I even want to be. I just want the truth. Thats all. Here is the url from the page. http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/RoomModes/driving.html

Kind of interesting if you like peanut butter with no milk(quoting knightfly:D )
fitz
 
Rick,

From your post, I gathered that you want a little clarity on what was on that URL, or at least have it explained again in different words.

You probably know most of this already, but just in case...

Each frquency has a wave has a certain length. Now, if this length = the width of 2 opposing walls. Then the wave will bounce back and forth between them.

With parallel walls, the waves pass over the same space, causing an addition effect. Thus the particular frequency that 'fitted into that space' has a sound pressure level that is twice (with prefectly reflective walls...) that of any other frequency, which doesn't fit perfectly.

The problem with this, is that it's not just the resonant frequency that causes problems, but also multiples of that frequency. A wave half as long as the resonant frequency would fit two wavelengths into the same space, thus causing a greater sound level at that frequency too.

By having non parallel walls, the sound pressures (imagine like a light beam) will bounce off, and not travel the same path as it came from. Thus, no resonant frequencies...

thats about it from me.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but no flaming okay? There's nothing worse than trying to help (even if there's a potential to be wrong) and then getting flamed....

Cheers

d
 
No flames, just a minor addition for Rick's consideration - first, I agree with everything here - remember, though, that those resonant frequencies are NOT zero bandwidth. So, a resonance of 60 hZ will have enough energy at 64 hZ (next to the lowest C on piano) to cause problems. There are lots more of these coincidences that will happen when a room is being excited by the various impulse sounds caused by playing music in it.

Yeah, Everest did make comments to that effect. One of them was that "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" - meaning, it's relatively easy to calc the modes of a rectangular room and almost impossible to do it for a non-rectangular one. However, if the NON rectangular one doesn't have standing wave problems at all (not sure here) then who cares how to calculate the modes if they don't matter?

At this point in time, I'm tempted to build a total anechoic room and put everything back with DSP... Steve
 
I tend to agree!

thanks gents, I know what you mean steve, and I've always wondered, why don't people build rooms exactly as you said. Totally dead, and then signal process. BTW, my days of flaming are over:D Lifes too short, and any help at all is appreciated.
The only thing that gets my goat though, is if someone rakes me over the coals for lack of knowledge:rolleyes: I mean, thats why I ask questions. Its not easy to publicly show how DUMB I am. And then be burned at the stake? Well, its milk time. Thanks again for the clarification. Have you designed your rooms yet gentlemen. I am ALWAYS interested in seeing other peoples ideas. Building anything is a passion of mine. I like 3D design in all forms. In fact, the name of my little business is "dimensional design", although I fabricate also. Watched my dad build (3) airplanes from the ground up. Everytime I think building a room that lives up to being called a "studio" is difficult, I then recall that moment when a homebuilt aircraft owner gets in his plane and FLYS IT.:rolleyes: Standing waves or any other mistake in studio design
cannot compare to falling out of the sky. :eek:
ftiz
 
Your Dad is most likely aware of the age-old statement "There are two things that do you no good - the air above you, and the runway behind you"...
 
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