New Tune. Experiment. - Part 2.

[bigbubba]

Hello all,

I figured adding to the old thread might become confusing to where many would not be listening to the updated version like in Jazz's thread. So I started a new thread. Old one found at: https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=198734


I've updated the stuff. Added more verses and one break and an ending. The song should be complete from the point of view of structure. I'd really appreciate any ideas and input.

Notes:
The spanish lead in verses will be done over for all three verses.
The dist. lead is how the final will be.
All rhythm guitars are the final versions.
The drums structure is probably complete.
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Does the dist. git. sound good?
The Spanish parts sounding still Spanish?
The drums have reverb now. Is that enough reverb.
How's stuff from EQ side. Anything seem stepping on anything else?

The bass is boosted from 35Hz - 60Hz. I don't think that it is stepping on anything but will bring it down if it seems too much.

Thanks guys.

MJ - v2.0
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=419303&songID=3917947

 

[Dogman]

I think you've made some good improvements on it. The intro is dark and murky, and then the Spanish guitar comes in all clean. That's a nice contrast. Drums don't sound bad, so you might have a decent amount of verb on them.

Much better mix, I belive....

 

[bigbubba]

I think you've made some good improvements on it. The intro is dark and murky, and then the Spanish guitar comes in all clean. That's a nice contrast. Drums don't sound bad, so you might have a decent amount of verb on them.

Much better mix, I belive....

Thanks for listening man.

Any other ideas on how to get this as close to production quality as possible. Of course, I realize that will take a lot of skill and better gear, but still I'd like to try.

This is a hymn, that I will probably be giving around to family and friends and I wouldn't want them to get "he records it in the bassment" feel from it.

Did you like the clean ending? Would it have been nicer to just fade it out instead of a clear ending?

Thanks again for listening and for your comments. I appreciate it.

 

[SnakeDog5050]

Mix sounds good, I like
That electric rhythm sounds cool, aggresive and like a monster coming at you. If I was mixing this, I'd lower that in volume by like 1 or 2dB in parts like 1:31 where there is acoustic lead with it.
Well played and cool arrangement overall, I like how the full song ended up. I'm sure it'll impress your friends. I usually give out singles to friends too, that's why you see a lot of my songs end up having cover art too

Endings are probably a preference thing, personally I always like the clean ending rather than the fadeout.

 

[ido1957]

Does the dist. git. sound good?
The Spanish parts sounding still Spanish?
The drums have reverb now. Is that enough reverb.
How's stuff from EQ side. Anything seem stepping on anything else?

Listening on headphones....
Yes - the rhythm one is good but I found the lead one towards the end a bit bright/harsh.

Yes - really sounding good, no problems

Yes - plenty enough, nice but not too much

No - no stepping on that I can hear, the bass drum is pretty potent - lots of thump.

Coming along pretty good, keep us posted....new threads are fine by me....

 

[bigbubba]

Mix sounds good, I like
That electric rhythm sounds cool, aggresive and like a monster coming at you. If I was mixing this, I'd lower that in volume by like 1 or 2dB in parts like 1:31 where there is acoustic lead with it.
Well played and cool arrangement overall, I like how the full song ended up. I'm sure it'll impress your friends. I usually give out singles to friends too, that's why you see a lot of my songs end up having cover art too

Endings are probably a preference thing, personally I always like the clean ending rather than the fadeout.

SD, thanks for listening man.

I hear you on the rhythm part with the acoustic leads. I'm glad you like the arrangement. I'll be doing over the main melody soon so hopefully this will sound complete and more full.

I think I like the clean ending also. However, with the fadeout endings, the ending is repeated at least 4-8 more times while fading out. And that leaves a little more of the feeling with the listener.

Thanks for listening.

 

[bigbubba]

Listening on headphones....
Yes - the rhythm one is good but I found the lead one towards the end a bit bright/harsh.

Yes - really sounding good, no problems

Yes - plenty enough, nice but not too much

No - no stepping on that I can hear, the bass drum is pretty potent - lots of thump.

Coming along pretty good, keep us posted....new threads are fine by me....

Ido, thanks for listening, I appreciate it.

I think I've already uploaded a version with less harsh lead. That was a good call. Thanks for listening and answering the questionaire.

 

[ido1957]

Just listened to the latest mix....everything sounding nicely balanced now and the lead is not harsh anymore. Good One......

PS - Really like the drums on this - I can tell you've done a lot of work on them...

 

[bigbubba]

Just listened to the latest mix....everything sounding nicely balanced now and the lead is not harsh anymore. Good One......

PS - Really like the drums on this - I can tell you've done a lot of work on them...

Ido,
Thanks. I'm glad you like the drums. I'm always in the quest to make them better. What I've realized is that it's ok to make new patterns instead of looping the same one for 4 measures. I'll occassionally make a different for 2nd measure even if it has the hits in different velocity.

Try to make more improvements. Currently during verse there's the same fill happening at the repeat of the phrases and between transition from phrase 1 to phrase 2. I thought I'd look into making that a little more dynamic.

Thanks for your input. And for listening.

 

[NYMorningstar]

Nice work Bubba. There's a little too much verb on the guitar at the very beginning for my taste. I'd tone the verb down some at the start and use some automation on it to make it swell and use some panning for effect. But like I said its just a matter of taste. It does seem to fit better later on in the song though.
Sweet spanish sound for the acoustic lead. I'd like to hear some of the acoustic rhythm guitar added to the same side as the lead to make the lead sound more centered (like you have it panned at the end). The lead sounds lonely off to the side on its own. The rest of it sounds great. Good job!

 

[bigbubba]

Nice work Bubba. There's a little too much verb on the guitar at the very beginning for my taste. I'd tone the verb down some at the start and use some automation on it to make it swell and use some panning for effect. But like I said its just a matter of taste. It does seem to fit better later on in the song though.
Sweet spanish sound for the acoustic lead. I'd like to hear some of the acoustic rhythm guitar added to the same side as the lead to make the lead sound more centered (like you have it panned at the end). The lead sounds lonely off to the side on its own. The rest of it sounds great. Good job!

NYMorningstar, thanks for listening.

About the reverb in the intro, the second guitar with the higher octave playing the tune is a little too drowned. I liked the overall feel but I agree in places the reverb is a bit much. Been thinking about how to fix that. I would use automation on the Bus that the track is going to, except Acid doesn't save my automation stuff on the Busses.

So you're saying you like the panning towards the end and the verses should also be panned to have the lead in the center? If I understand it correctly.

That's an interesting issue. I hadn't realized that. I'll look into it and see what I could do. Maybe add a second rhythm section to the same side like you said. Thanks.

 

[tbone36109]

nice tune i the spanish guitar, definately a nice neoclassical type song. a little increase of the highs on the drums so they can cut some and cut the lows some and increase the highs one the guitars, basicly same the same as what was already said although i dont think reverb should be taken out if maybe rerecord the guitar with a bit more distortion, reverb and distortion make a nice pair on alot of neoclassical metal tracks, makes for big sounding guitars IMO

 

[bigbubba]

nice tune i the spanish guitar, definately a nice neoclassical type song. a little increase of the highs on the drums so they can cut some and cut the lows some and increase the highs one the guitars, basicly same the same as what was already said although i dont think reverb should be taken out if maybe rerecord the guitar with a bit more distortion, reverb and distortion make a nice pair on alot of neoclassical metal tracks, makes for big sounding guitars IMO

tbone36109, thanks for listening man.

So you're saying cut the highs on the drums? Increase the highs on the guitars? Thanks for listening. I'll keep those comments in mind.

 

[tbone36109]

no increase highs on drums some too nothing is really cutting through well its all just kinda bassy and muddy

 

[true-eurt]

Man, that spanish guitar does it for me. This, with the distorted guitars, give it an eclectic texture that really does it for me.

I really love at 4:00 the ryhthm change.

It doesn't sound muddy on my monitors.

True

 

[DavidK]

Its good. I dont think I heard version 1 I remember hearing another European track of yours ( with tuba-like goodness). Yes, this is nice, kinda dark. Not crazy about the breaks between the tune and the classical guitar. Maybe more verb on the note before the break. Nice arrangement, all works well.

 

[XLR]

Cool tune and arrangement. I like the combination of the nylon str gtr with the band. My only suggestion would be to lower the level of the heavy guitars a little for a more consitent overall level each time they alternate with the nylon string.

Tim

 

[bigbubba]

All, thank you very much for your input. I appreciate it. Nice to hear the different perspectives.

tbone36109 - Thanks. Now that I hear it, it could use some highs here and there.

true-eurt - I'm glad you like it. Thanks for lending your monitors. OK, now that I know what section at 4:00 you're talking about (had to go and listen), I think that's my favorite part of the playing. Hehe, when you can make someone remember something you played or covered, it's is a good thing.

DavidK - Thanks for listening and commenting. The version 1 was something you missed but trust me you didn't miss much. When you says breaks between the dist. and clean, I'll assume you mean the silence breaks. Interesting point of view. A touch more reverb to let the previous note linger? Sounds like a good idea. Of course, you can bet your last dollar that keeping time during those intervals wasn't the easiest thing in the world. Now if I can only playing 16 violin tracks simlutaneously to have a little string section for the way out, and make it synth pop????

Timothy Lawler - Thanks for listening man. The rhythm volume is a good idea. SnakeDog also mentioned that but I forgot to lower it and then I didn't wanna go back render the wav, convert to mp3, and upload again. So the next mixdown will probably have that. Now what's this business of nylon strings. I'm honored that you'd call the unprocessed rusted B and high E strings on my Fender Squire as nylon strings.


I know I address all by their full handles, but I'm just used to cutting and pasting the names so as to not misspell. Not being overly formal here.

 

[DavidK]

I'll assume you mean the silence breaks. Interesting point of view. A touch more reverb to let the previous note linger?

Yup, it sounds like its OVER rather than a break, maybe a touch more verb so it rings into the classical geetar.

 

[bigbubba]

Yup, it sounds like its OVER rather than a break, maybe a touch more verb so it rings into the classical geetar.

Ah, I see what you mean about the song being over. Will add some verb on the way out. Although, will have to be careful of adding verb on the dist.
It starts sounding nasty easily.