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I was in the middle of building a pre-productoin studio. I got as far as keyboards, mixers, monitors, and mics. Spoke to an uncle whom is in the music production profession; he's switching to all computer based recording and recommended I do the same.

I'm looking at buying a brand new computer and all the necessary components to produce a "big sound." I have no idea of what I should be looking for computer wise, sound card wise, and what software to go with. Any help would be appreciated.

BRN2BAFACTOR (Born To Be a Factor)
 
What's your budget?

What are your needs?

Are you tracking a symphony, a rock band, a jazz trio or a solo vocalist?

Is this your project or intended to be a commercial venture?

Stuff like that will help.
 
What's your budget?
Right now I have about 2,000 to blow on getting started. I don't mind spending the money if it's good reliable equipment/ software.



What are your needs?
That's kind of hard to answer because I don't know much about the computer recording world. I'll say atleast 16 tracks, mixer section, mastering tools, vocal effects just to name a few.

[B]Are you tracking a symphony, a rock band, a jazz trio or a solo vocalist?[/B]I'll be dealing primarily with solo artists majoring in rap/ hip-hop.

[I]Is this your project or intended to be a commercial venture? [/I] This is a individual hobby/ venture initially, but on the same not I would like the finished product to be "commercially acceptable."

Hope this help you help me. Also please dont respond if you don't know what your talking about. As a lot of what I find out via these chat rooms will help me determine what to purchase in the near future, and my money doesnt grow on trees unfortunately.

BRN2BAFACTOR
 
1. p4 computer at least 2gigs u
2. make sure u run dual hard drives one for just your audio files
3. Dual vga card (matrox 450)
4. get the protools mbox & when u get more money u can always buy u a control surface (something like the tascam 428)


That should do it for hardware and software only other things u would need is maybe a couple more plugins but if u get the mbox that costs a little bit more money it will come with a lot of plug ins so u might be happy with those but if not there is others such as waves bundles and other kinds.
 
brn2bafactor said:
Hope this help you help me. Also please dont respond if you don't know what your talking about. As a lot of what I find out via these chat rooms will help me determine what to purchase in the near future, and my money doesnt grow on trees unfortunately.

BRN2BAFACTOR


That isn't an effective way to communicate with us. Perhaps you could cut the crap and duct tape that little ego to the floor just for a moment as you grace us with your presence. That way we could stop what we're doing and pay closer attention while you ask us to help you with your homework.


A couple more questions -


1. How many signals are going to be tracked simultaneously?

2. Tell us about the tracking room - dimensions, other sounds, materials. Have you done any acoustic treatment or is that going to be a future phase? I ask the question because sometimes the room itself can become the most important element.
 
brn. ive posted many configurations over the past year. just search using my name. my own personal preference is an amd athlon system running powertracks from pgmusic.com with a proven delta sound card.
or if you want top convertors an RME.
such a system running a delta sound card and powertracks will budget out at about 800 bucks or less if you shop wisely.
if you have questions. ask.
heres some tutorials...have a read...
http://www.garys.web.st/midibasics.htm
http://www.garys.web.st/basicintro.htm
and heres some pg musicians web sites so you can see the advanced things done with the software.
pg musicians....
http://www.charmedmusic.com/
http://www.tir.com/~rharv
http://www.cyberus.ca/~ifraser/songs2
http://www.wesleydick.com/
http://www.davehoskins.bizland.com/
http://www.ericendres.com/
http://rthigpen.com/
http://www.members.shaw.ca/glitch/index.html
http://www.riojazz.com/
http://www.russell-demussel.be/simonread.html
http://www.aei.ca/~denisl/index.html
http://members.cowtown.net/ontap/
http://www.russell-demussel.be/russ.html
peace.
 
"That isn't an effective way to communicate with us. Perhaps you could cut the crap and duct tape that little ego to the floor just for a moment as you grace us with your presence. That way we could stop what we're doing and pay closer attention while you ask us to help you with your homework."

Mr. Treeline
First and foremost there's no ego that needs to be taped to the floor. Yes, I did ask for your assistance and I do appreciate the fact that you take a few moments of your time to assist and advise me in this personal venture. However, I weork hard for my money as you probably do as well, and because wht I find out on here is going to greatly influence which direction I go in and how much money I spend I fee my comment was justified.

BRN2BAFACTOR
 
Tell us about the tracking room - dimensions, other sounds, materials. Have you done any acoustic treatment or is that going to be a future phase? I ask the question because sometimes the room itself can become the most important element.

The room I'm using is not a very big one, but it is completely empty for the most part, hardwood floors. So it's very airy and wide open. The monitors I'm currently using (TRUTH B2031 Active Monitors) are helpful as they have settings I can adjust to help with the airyness in the hardwood floored room. To say that I'm ignorant on acoustic treatments is probably an understatement. So any insight you can provide will be taken to heart and more than likely will take some form in the room.

BRN2BAFACTOR
 
We have members who have experience with room acoustics. One is Ethan Winer and his website is http://www.ethanwiner.com/music.html. Another is Knightfly; a recent room treatment thread has some links on it that are worth perusing:

http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=137440&highlight=trap

It sounds like your room may be "live" which can first seem like a good thing but tends to create additive effects if you start to do multitracking. The way to minimize the reverby effect is by placing things in the room to diffuse or absorb sound waves, or by designing a space with non-parallel surfaces, or a combination. In the corners, you can build or buy bass traps that absorb low frequencies. Carpet tends to absorb highs but can leave low and mids muddy. One trick is to place absorbant things in the room to break up standing waves - perhaps using plants or armchairs. Sometimes a movable rack of clothing can make a difference for trouble spots.

Acoustics are important not only for tracking, but particularly for monitoring. Without a good understanding of how sound waves behave in a particular room, you can get areas where something seems wrong - like there's no bass, or too much. These can be misleading signals that would encourage you to compensate with an effect or an eq change, only to find the mix doesn't translate well to another environment. There's a whole bunch of material here and the search engine will deliver some gold on major search topics - acoustics, bass traps, room treatment, standing waves, and so on.

I'm not suggesting that you have to know a boatload about acoustics to record a track, but given that room acoustics will have a profound effect on what you hear as you mix, the more you can find out about it, the better. I'm just beginning with it myself. Good luck with this part of the journey - it's pretty fascinating stuff!
 
brn2bafactor said:
What's your budget?
Right now I have about 2,000.
What are your needs? I'll say at least 16 tracks, mixer section, mastering tools, vocal effects just to name a few.
Are you tracking a symphony, a rock band, a jazz trio or a solo vocalist?I'll be dealing primarily with solo artists majoring in rap/ hip-hop.
Is this your project or intended to be a commercial venture? This is a individual hobby/ venture initially, but on the same note I would like the finished product to be "commercially acceptable."

BRN2BAFACTOR

That's a tight budget but I think it's workable. You already have pretty decent monitors. Manning1 has some suggestions that are worth reading; he's given me some very good advice as I'm building a DAW myself.

It looks like you might be needing a simple front end with at this point a couple of channels, a good basic computer and a comprehensive software package. If you figure a thousand bucks for a computer along the lines manning1 has proposed, that leaves you with another thousand.

Firewire interfaces have come into their own and are great because they're fast, reliable and easily upgradeable. So maybe look for a computer that has firewire right on the motherboard - simple and direct.

Here is a cool entry level firewire front ends with basic but high quality features: M-Audio 410 interface - four channels in, ten out; $400.00

That leaves the choice of mics - again, a subject about which all kinds of stuff has been and can be written. A good general learning technique that many here subscribe to is doing a search on the term "gerst" and reading about anything Harvey Gerst has written.

It seems like a good place to begin with mics is a general purpose entry large diaphragm condenser mic. I found good results with a Studio Projects C3, particularly it is a multipattern mic and useful for different situations. I have found it to be effective with voices. The street price is around $400. Other brands to look for in this range are Audio Technica, AKG, RODE, MXL and probably a host of others. The mic forum can deliver the goods if you search on terms like "vocal" "rap" or "hop-hop." Beware of Gear Acquisition Syndrome here - the sky is the limit and you can as easily find mics for four thousand bucks as four hundred. You can start with a mic for a hundred bucks and go from there.

So that's fifteen hundred - getting tight and you'd compromise on the mic. But you still need software. Think about front ends that come bundled with software - such as the E-MU 1820M sampling system. That includes a very nice front end with two great preamps and a bunch of additional analog inputs, involves a couple of cards, accepts firewire if you need to expand, and comes with software that allows high quality sampling. That's about $600 and could replace the other front end. So that combination would be $1700 or $1800 depending on the mic.

Finally, you could round out the setup for very little money by getting
n-track tracking software; it's about $60 and you can learn about it on the
n-track forum here.

Hope that gives you some food for thought!
 
brn2bafactor said:
"That isn't an effective way to communicate with us. Perhaps you could cut the crap and duct tape that little ego to the floor just for a moment as you grace us with your presence. That way we could stop what we're doing and pay closer attention while you ask us to help you with your homework."

Mr. Treeline
First and foremost there's no ego that needs to be taped to the floor. Yes, I did ask for your assistance and I do appreciate the fact that you take a few moments of your time to assist and advise me in this personal venture. However, I weork hard for my money as you probably do as well, and because wht I find out on here is going to greatly influence which direction I go in and how much money I spend I fee my comment was justified.

BRN2BAFACTOR

What irritated me about that approach is that many, many people here are very free in giving all kinds of knowledge to help others - including those who have helped me immeasurably in my own blundering journey. The community here is unique; it is not "one of those chat rooms" and hopefully that will become clear with time. The better way to approach it is to avoid reminding people who can help how valuable your time is. They each have many other, equally important things to do. Maybe that's not how you intended to come across - fair enough, and I'll leave it.

By the way - welcome to the monkey house... :D
 
Treeline said:
What irritated me about that approach is that many, many people here are very free in giving all kinds of knowledge to help others - including those who have helped me immeasurably in my own blundering journey. The community here is unique; it is not "one of those chat rooms" and hopefully that will become clear with time. The better way to approach it is to avoid reminding people who can help how valuable your time is. They each have many other, equally important things to do. Maybe that's not how you intended to come across - fair enough, and I'll leave it.

By the way - welcome to the monkey house... :D

Yeah, I didn't mean to come across that way. None the less I appreciate the reply's and insight to my questions.

BRN
 
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