New melody..........or is it?

[joro]

Hey guys and gals......

did you ever come up with some music and say to yourself.....


self?.........................


is this new or, did you hear it somewhere before??


I got one of those and would like some feedback from you guys before I spend a week recording it....

Country & Western....it's at Soundclick....

please don't mind the clams on the lead.....
it's just a rough recording for now.....so I don't forget it...ya know?

Thanks gang,
Joe

 

[dragonworks]

What difference does it make, you came up with it, its yours, use it.

 

[joro]

good point DW.........



I just like to do original stuff.....
I guess it's more in the style that you play a melody....not the melody itself....

Someone once told me that every melody that could possibly be done was done in one way or another by 1920......

it makes me think....gee...how can you say you wrote this if it's all been done before......ya know?

take it easy man,
Joe

 

[bdbdbuck]

Sometimes we find ourselves writing a catchy tune and saying... HHHHMMM that sounds familiar ...could be that you heard it in your own head a thousand times before you actually wrote it.


bd

 

[joro]

Thanks BD....



I am gonna work on this one...


Take it easy,
Joe

 

[badgas]

Hey, Joro.
Really nice progression and melody.
I'm not Huge on C&W but I do write and listen to some. I can't say as I've heard it.

I have to disagree with DW. You write it, make damn sure none of it is someone elses.
Remember the lawsuit where George Harrison paid out a bundle? The courts are quite active these days with copyright owners making more bucks in sueing than recordings.

 

[joro]

Thanks BG....
also good points......


I am gonna work on it this week...maybe tonight...
I am taking it down until I get a good recording done...

thanks gang,
Joe

 

[dragonworks]

Hey, Joro.
Really nice progression and melody.
I'm not Huge on C&W but I do write and listen to some. I can't say as I've heard it.

I have to disagree with DW. You write it, make damn sure none of it is someone elses.
Remember the lawsuit where George Harrison paid out a bundle? The courts are quite active these days with copyright owners making more bucks in sueing than recordings.

George Harrison was sued for My Sweet Lord by the Chiffons,
if I remember correctly they were awarded a dollar.

 

[bdbdbucksKID]

GAWD!!!

We need to solve this problem right now!!! Fella's if you will...please read the Thread in Recording forum entitled something, something "Copywrite" I remember the name cuz it's spelled incorrectly. HELP me out.
Not that I am personally worried about infringing on anyone elses work...but my argument has been that you can't copyright chords.
Now!!! If you duplicate the entire score of a song..thats bad. BUT

Argument #1 What kind of real artist would do that in the first place?

Argument #2 If you have a ten second ditty that has the same kind of progression, what's the problem? Is that an infringement?

It would be nice to know...and if it is an infringement, then how many chords have to be played in succession before it is an actual infringement?

Hey...I am sure there are a lot of people that don't know but would like to...thanks for hearing my rant.

 

[bdbdbuck]

The song Dragon is talking about was a knock off of "He's so fine" the melody line was almost exact! Chord progressions cannot be copyrighted.......there would be a lot of songwriters in court if you could. It's the melody of the song in connection with the chord progression that is copyrighted. I'd wager to say that there's probably no chord progression in existence that hasn't already been done somewhere along the line. Just look at all the 3 chord country songs that use the same three chords, just different melodies.

bd

 

[bdbdbucksKID]

OK

Like I thought!

 

[joro]

OK...so here it is...finished...

Matrix Mix...it's at Soundclick....

I am entering this at Tonos for the Matrix Film Opportunity...
just as an instrumental for the Soundtrack to the third movie....


This is also the "base" for the "Team" project in the clinic...

it will be a lot different for the team tune...
Skids and his missus wrote some good musical changes to it...and of course there will be vox...

coming to an MP3 Clinic near you soon!

 

[Strtj]

Sometimes we find ourselves writing a catchy tune and saying... HHHHMMM that sounds familiar ...could be that you heard it in your own head a thousand times before you actually wrote it.


bd

That has happened to me recently. I was messing around with a tune that sounded very familiar, then I realised it was the tune to a song I had written about a year ago. Which is great, as now I can develop it further.

 

[dafduc]

I've done it a couple of times, that I know of, both with church music:

1) Wrote an Alleluia that wound up being WAY too close to the Quincy Jones Alleluia Chorus from "Messiah: A Soulful Celebration." I hadn't heard it for a year or two before I wrote my piece, nor for three years after. When I finally DID... Scary. I think it's legal though - clearly derivative, but still a different melody after the first three notes (it's mostly the rhythm that's a direct rip). But it was totally subconscious...

2) ...and speaking of totally subconscious derivative rips, I wrote a Palm Sunday processional that knowingly borrowed (a) the hosanna from a copyrighted Leon Roberts Mass, and (b) the lyric from "All Glory Laud and Honor", which is in the public domain. The intention was to approach Roberts' publisher with my derivative work (never got around tuit), but mean time, my parish and a parish in Georgia are using it for Palm Sunday. We made sure we bought enough copies of the Roberts Mass so there wasn't an economic issue (though there's still the deal with control of intellectual property - adaptations are very common in church circles, but technically require permission).

ANYHOW - it turns out that my verse melody (to which "All Glory..." is sung) was scary close to Steven Schwarz's "God Save the People" melody, which I hadn't heard in like forever. When I finally bought the DVD and watched it, I got REALLY uncomfortable. But again, it's derivative - it's the melody taken down a third (not transposed, but actually down a third in the same key - a straight transposition won't save you, but a melodic shift will). Still, that may be enough to keep me from moving it forward.

I don't mind being derivative - that's how some of my better stuff gets written. My fear is that I'm unwittingly swiping some exact melody. I've got a bluegrass hymn setting for "Come Labor On" that sounds SO stereotypically bluegrass that I keep thinking it must've been done already. So I'm sitting on THAT one, too.

Daf

 

[gascap]

.. Just look at all the 3 chord country songs that use the same three chords, just different melodies.

bd

I would stick many MANY pop/rock tunes in that bag too...Some country stuff - especially swing doesn't adhere to "3 chords and the truth" - it can get hairy. On the other hand sing "Beast of Burden" under Red Hot Chili Peppers' "Under The Bridge".

It's everywhere.