Nero does more than fiddle....

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This forum is the closest one that seems to connect to my observation and question.

Recently a member sent me some files which I downloaded on XP Windows. I punched up the CDR/DVD burner the other day and in less than 3 minutes I had burned all three files. The program in XP is called NERO.

I was blown away by how good the sound came out. Very full and clear.

Question: After burning this disc, does that finish the disc--like finalizing on my DAW? I think it does but am not sure.

Thanks for any comments from my eclectic recording friends.

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Yep, I used Nero until I replaced my CDR burner with a DVD/CDr drive and now it won't recognize it. Anyway, yeah there's a check box that asks if you want to finalize the disc. I've done it with and without, and it's played back no problems either way. The check box is on the screen that pops up after you hit burn I believe.
 
Yo Nick "D":

Hey man, thanks for the info. I was discussing this program with a few other PC gurus and they also thought it was an option to "check" the box; it's about the same as the "finalize" window that pops up on my DAW when I'm burning a CD.

I can't believe how FAST it did three files--beats my DAW big time; but, I still record on the 2816. It's just now I realize I can get background music from my clients and have it ready to go when they stop to sing tracks.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

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The Green Hornet said:
Yo Nick "D":

I can't believe how FAST it did three files--beats my DAW big time; but, I still record on the 2816.
Green Hornet ;) :D :) :D

Just a thought... Speed isn't all it's cracked up to be. You may want to set your burn speed to 8X (not the 24X or 52X) it may be running at. Why? Because very fast burn speeds can produce more errors on the disc and necessitate more correction on playback (can you hear the difference? who knows?). I errors may not produce a full blown skip, but they force some interpolation... 8X is fast enough to enhance gyroscopic stability and slow enough to maximise accuracy. Look under the NERO toolkit for CD Speed. Open this up, put a burned disc in and have it check for errors. It could be interesting to compare different results from discs burned from the same material on different machines. My Fostex VF160 typically has no errors, but discs I've tried that have been burned on PC's will often have hundreds and thousands... Of course it's debatable if people would hear an audible difference. The real issue could be when sending a disc to a commercial house for mastering/duplication. They are apparently very intolerant of discs with errors.
 
I always burn at 52X aswell as check for errors and have never had any problems. However, I have friends who do the same but do get errors. I guess it's down to the quality of your CD burner.... Saying that, mine was £25.
 
Yo Neil:

Cheers from the Colonies; and, I'll have a Laphroig neat!

Well, burning music files on my PC is a new adventure. I didn't set any specific speed; I just used what came up on the window. It was very fast and the music came out great--no problems that I could hear with my ears.

I have a DVD/CDR burner on my PC which is a Gateway with mucho HD space and 512 RAM.

I'll have to see what happens when one of my clients sends me some tracks. I'll burn them and see how they come out.

Thanks much for your input.

Green Hornet
 
Neil Ogilvie said:
I always burn at 52X aswell as check for errors and have never had any problems. However, I have friends who do the same but do get errors. I guess it's down to the quality of your CD burner.... Saying that, mine was £25.

Well actually, I'm not one of those who say, "You get what you pay for..." Sometimes you get a whole lot more. Future Music did a big article on burning. One aspect that also affects the outcome is the buffer underrun settings. But I forget whether they thought this feature should be turned on or shut off.
 
Neil Ogilvie said:
I always burn at 52X aswell as check for errors and have never had any problems. However, I have friends who do the same but do get errors. I guess it's down to the quality of your CD burner.... Saying that, mine was £25.

Yeah, Billssa is correct. Buring at fast speeds will definetly increase your chance for errors.... even the errors you can't hear! When the disc is spinning that fast, it actually must lower a certian amount of QUALITY in order to burn that fast.

I was talking to a professional duplicator just a few days ago about this. He actually says that the ideal speed is right around 30x. He told me why, but it was over my head. He said 30x is better than 52x and 8x. Go figure. I still say slower the better.
 
I've heard that for a master CD, though, you don't want to burn any faster than 2x. My boss refuses to burn masters higher than that, and he's a Grammy-nominated engineer.
 
MadAudio said:
I've heard that for a master CD, though, you don't want to burn any faster than 2x. My boss refuses to burn masters higher than that, and he's a Grammy-nominated engineer.

I wonder if the real issue is what speed current technology will be able to do a burn without errors... Perhaps 2X is what some burners/software can consistently handle. Perhaps others can now do 52X. I have a PC burner that burns at 6X and is awful (could be the PC's configuration). My Fostex burns at 8X with no errors. But I would think that higher speeds aren't intrinsically bad if the hardware can pull off error free burns. In fact I would assume the baseline speed would continue to increase as gear gets better and better.
 
What great information.

I burn at the top speed of my 2816 and have no error problems; but, that box is probably configured or set to handle any of the speed choices; however, it takes a long time to burn ten/12 tunes.

Whereas, the Nero program on my PC burned three songs, each over 3 minutes, in less that 4 minutes.

BTW, top speed on the Yam box is 6X.

Interesting thread. Thanks again.

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