Need to record vocals - No budget for a studio!

[moresound]

Haha yeah, I'll go ahead and agree with all of that. No sense arguing it anymore especially since I'm mostly talking out my ass.

I missed that, do it again. But wait till I get my camera.

 

[FunkDaddy]

I missed that, do it again. But wait till I get my camera.

Usually I charge quite a few pesos for that show...extra for the donkey

 

[Chili]

Haha yeah, I'll go ahead and agree with all of that. No sense arguing it anymore especially since I'm mostly talking out my ass.

Talking out your ass?? Well, your ass got it right. No Poor Man's protection, at least not in the US. But CFox did post a quote from the UK copyright office that says something about mailing copyright material to yourself for proof. That's the first I heard of it, but never checked with the UK before. Interesting.

There's also a quote about having copyright Protection as soon as something is in tangible form, and I think that quote is wrong. Was that a wiki quote?? You have copyright owership as soon as it's in tangible form, but the protection comes from registering it with a government controlled clearinghouse like the US Copyright office.

Some people dismiss registering the copyright because no one is ever going to make millions off of our music anyways.... well, I think the most likely scenario is if you are co-writing with someone else and they register the song without you and then go on to make millions with it.

eh, just my $0.02.

 

[FunkDaddy]

Talking out your ass?? Well, your ass got it right. No Poor Man's protection, at least not in the US. But CFox did post a quote from the UK copyright office that says something about mailing copyright material to yourself for proof. That's the first I heard of it, but never checked with the UK before. Interesting.

There's also a quote about having copyright Protection as soon as something is in tangible form, and I think that quote is wrong. Was that a wiki quote?? You have copyright owership as soon as it's in tangible form, but the protection comes from registering it with a government controlled clearinghouse like the US Copyright office.

Some people dismiss registering the copyright because no one is ever going to make millions off of our music anyways.... well, I think the most likely scenario is if you are co-writing with someone else and they register the song without you and then go on to make millions with it.

eh, just my $0.02.

Yeah, I know what I was saying was correct but seemed to be falling on deaf ears. We were going around in circles and CFox seemed to be getting upset over it, when I was just enjoying arguing the point.

 

[CFox]

Talking out your ass?? Well, your ass got it right. No Poor Man's protection, at least not in the US. But CFox did post a quote from the UK copyright office that says something about mailing copyright material to yourself for proof. That's the first I heard of it, but never checked with the UK before. Interesting.

There's also a quote about having copyright Protection as soon as something is in tangible form, and I think that quote is wrong. Was that a wiki quote?? You have copyright owership as soon as it's in tangible form, but the protection comes from registering it with a government controlled clearinghouse like the US Copyright office.

Some people dismiss registering the copyright because no one is ever going to make millions off of our music anyways.... well, I think the most likely scenario is if you are co-writing with someone else and they register the song without you and then go on to make millions with it.

eh, just my $0.02.

Was that worth 2 cents ? Probably not

According to section 408 of the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976, registration of a work with the Copyright Office is not a prerequisite for copyright protection.[2]

Registering it protects you - IF YOU ARE THE ORIGINAL CREATOR. If someone else can prove they created it at an earlier date they are the LEGAL COPYRIGHT HOLDER.

So unopened registered mail is not admissible in US courts ?




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[CFox]

Yeah, I know what I was saying was correct but seemed to be falling on deaf ears. We were going around in circles and CFox seemed to be getting upset over it, when I was just enjoying arguing the point.

You still dont understand the difference between registered copyright owner and the original copyright owner do you ?

That is not a debate, that is you being either a dickhead on purpose or something else I dare not contemplate.

The person who owns the registered copyright can licence, sell, make money from that copyright etc... GREAT...

IF SOMEONE ELSE CAN PROVE IN A COURT THEY CREATED THE WORK AT AN EARLIER DATE ( proof of authorship )...THE COURT WILL RULE THEY ARE THE LEGAL COPYRIGHT OWNER...and all copyright earnings derived thus far will be owing to this party.

Now either the registered mail is admissible or it isnt. I will still be bringing my 20 people to court with their "Hearsay" Lol.

 

[FunkDaddy]

Oh here we go, namecalling You really mad now, son. Why so serious?

I've stated many times the difference between the registered copyright owner and the actual copyright owner. The whole point of the argument was proving copyright ownership. That is done with a registered copyright. Not 20 people saying you wrote it first.

I would love to see you go into court with 20 people when the other person has the registered copyright on it. The lawyers would easily blow a hole in your case.

Or better yet, go in with your Batman super secret "tamper proof" envelope and wow them.

There are ways to prove earlier authorship, but so far you haven't got there.

It really boils down to if you want your work copyright protected, you register the copyright, plain as that. If you disagree with that, I can't help you there.

 

[CFox]

Oh here we go, namecalling You really mad now, son. Why so serious?

I think its because you are timewastingly stupid.

I've stated many times the difference between the registered copyright owner and the actual copyright owner. The whole point of the argument was proving copyright ownership. That is done with a registered copyright. Not 20 people saying you wrote it first.

I would love to see you go into court with 20 people when the other person has the registered copyright on it. The lawyers would easily blow a hole in your case.

Or better yet, go in with your Batman super secret "tamper proof" envelope and wow them.

There are ways to prove earlier authorship, but so far you haven't got there.

It really boils down to if you want your work copyright protected, you register the copyright, plain as that. If you disagree with that, I can't help you there.

Why would it go to court if its already registered at the copyright office ?

I think you have a learning disability.

 

[FunkDaddy]

I think its because you are timewastingly stupid.



Why would it go to court if its already registered at the copyright office ?

I think you have a learning disability.

Uhm...you are the one who brought up the scenario of me vs you in court, scooter. So ask yourself that question and ponder your own Corky-ness.

 

[grimtraveller]

Funky and Foxy went to the courthouse, da da da dabby dabby doo....

Hmmmm....
Ahhhhh.....
Ooohhh......
Uuuurrrgh.......!

What's your opinion Grim ? You seem to be in a shit stirring mood today bro

I noticed the thread you dug up concerning R and DM and it didnt make either of them look good.

I included the copyright threads because I've been following the cyber tennis between yourself and FunkDaddy and a few others that have chipped in. Aside from the slights here and there, I think it's been a good thread with some good points made on both sides with a little being at cross purposes at times. But that happens in debates/arguments. I call it sidetracking and I quite like sidetracks as long as the main point is in view. Interesting pieces of info come through the sidetracks. And because this has been covered before, those other threads help shed more light on things. Far from stirring the old brown matter, I'd say the balance of those threads tilts more towards what you were asserting. Except the last one which was just plain comic interlude.

I don't think one can categorically say that this scenario or that scenario will win you the court case because as we all know, there are often variables that can be leaned on that can sway things one way or the other, not least smart mouthed lawyers {speaking of which, in all honesty, you might actually make a good lawyer. Certainly an entertaining one}. Few things in life or court are cut and dried......

As for 'digging up' the past thread with R & DM, it happened to be one that struck me at the time, back in Feb, as I recall. It was an attempt to show where the current conflict had begun, nothing more, nothing less. I don't take sides and I wasn't trying to show either party as being right or wrong. One of the parties was confused as to where things had kicked off from.

I'm a big softy. I like heated peace. With it comes a certain level of civility. The desire for peace and the presence of it doen't mean absence of debate, disagreement, arguments and fights. That would be monotonous.

And get your flaming songs registered and leave nothing in any doubt !

 

[guitaristic]

Well, the only thing more fun than watching a Canadian and an Aussie word-battle about copyright laws is...a lot of things.

 

[moresound]

Usually I charge quite a few pesos for that show...extra for the donkey

All right got my camera go for it
HEY !!!! that's no donkey that's some guy in a Eeyore suit.

 

[Chili]

Was that worth 2 cents ? Probably not

Gee thanks.

Registering it protects you - IF YOU ARE THE ORIGINAL CREATOR.

Nope, it protects who ever registered it.

If someone else can prove they created it at an earlier date they are the LEGAL COPYRIGHT HOLDER.

Using a sealed envelope is not a means of proving anything. FD quoted from teh US Copyright Office website that "there is no provision in the copyright law regarding any such type of protection, and it is not a substitute for registration."

Ideally, a judge isn't going to legislate from the bench. So, he's not going to allow something that has no law backing his decision. If someone else registered your song and you take him to court with 20 people, you are still SOL.

So unopened registered mail is not admissible in US courts ?

See above...


And let's keep this civil, please. No matter how much you disagree with FD, there's no need for namecalling.

 

[CFox]

Gee thanks.



Nope, it protects who ever registered it.

What happens in a civil court case ? Is it a friend making exercise or is about someone contesting something ?

The judge will not legally honour your REGISTERED COPYRIGHT IF SOMEONE ELSE PROVES YOU HAVE STOLEN THAT FROM THEM.. DO YOU GET THIS OR NOT ?

Using a sealed envelope is not a means of proving anything. FD quoted from teh US Copyright Office website that "there is no provision in the copyright law regarding any such type of protection, and it is not a substitute for registration."

You are just regurgitating information you cant seem to interpret.

Not being a substitute does NOT MEAN INADMISSIBLE as evidence in court. It a tamper evident envelope is admissible as evidence, it will act as evidence the work was authored/created/(automatically protected by copyright law) at a certain date. If this date is before the registered copyright then what does that tell you ?

Ideally, a judge isn't going to legislate from the bench. So, he's not going to allow something that has no law backing his decision. If someone else registered your song and you take him to court with 20 people, you are still SOL.

Do you even know what you are talking about ? Do you know that in a civil matter that the burden of proof is on the defendant not the plaintiff ? The judge WILL rule on evidence presented.

And let's keep this civil, please. No matter how much you disagree with FD, there's no need for namecalling.

Sorry bro. I been reading too many or RAMI's posts ? Lol. Like RAMI, I get pissed off when people make absolute assertions regarding matters that are not absolute.

 

[RAMI]

Sorry bro. I been reading too many or RAMI's posts ?

Big mistake!!!!!