Need some help with recording hardware that I need.

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Okay, that title might be a little strange sounding (couldn't think of what to put really), but I need help with recording hardware. Now I'm still deciding if I want to go PC or through CF with something like the MR8 or whatnot. I have a mixer at the moment and was wondering if I could use the inputs in that to send audio to a box connected to a soundcard on my computer. Would this give me more than one channel to record at a time or would the one connection from the mixer to the soundcard just give me one track at a time?

I'm going to want to record my drumkit, so I'm going to need multiple mics connected. I'm not with a band so I'm doing all the music myself. I won't be doing more than one instrument at a time.

I'm just confused that's all as to what exactly I need in either situation, be it PC recording or through a digital station.

If you need more info to answer, just ask. Thanks! :D
 
Yo Danmarg! First, you gave us no budget, which makes the question impossible to answer. I need some hardware, too, about $100,000 worth- more. But I'll try to look at minimal setups. First, I have good news and bad news. The good news is- you can record a bunch of channels simultanoeusly for cheap. Bad news- you can't mix or process them separately afterwards. If you use a mixer, you get a number of busses, generally an even number. A 10 X 2 mixer, for instance, has 2 busses, in other words, stereo, left and right. There are 10 inputs. Each one can be panned so it comes out of the left, the right, or some combination therof. Note that in general, not all of those inputs will be mic inputs. That would be the 3-pin XLR inputs. There will be other inputs for line level stuff from outboard preamps or modelers, or maybe even a high-z input for unprocessed guitar or bass tracks. So you can take however many drum tracks you have, and combine them into 2, left and right. If you decide later that the snare is too loud, you can't change it. You have to get it right the first time. That rarely happens.

With most cheap digital recorders, you can only record 2 tracks at a time- same deal. You are going to need a minimum of 4 tracks, 6 or 8 would be better. To do that, any way you slice it, you are looking at money. In the PC version, you need a soundcard that has at least 4-6 line level unputs, and several channels of preamp. Assuming you're doing this for cheap, this is how I would start. First, you need a soundcard with at least 4 line level inputs. Many people like M-Audio Audiophile 2496- $100 or so. That's 4 inputs- 6 is much harder and more expensive. You already have a mixer, so there's 2 channels of preamp (2 busses- the left and right main outs). You need 2 more. I like M-Audio DMP-3- $150 or so. That's 2 relatively clean solid state channels with lots of gain. For this setup, you need 4 mics. 2 small diaphragm condenser mics for overheads, a cheap dynamic for snare, and a dedicated low frequency mic for kick. For overheads, I like MXL 604. $200 for a matched (more or less) pair. For snare, Shure SM57 has been working for a lot of people for years.-$80. I prefer a lot of other cheap mics, such as Sennheiser e835, but that's just me. For kick, you'll find as many opinions as there are fleas on a dog. For cheap, it's hard to beat Audio-Technica Pro 25 $60.

OK, before anybody jumps down my throat for recommending some cheapass gear, as I said, you didn't give is a budget, and you didn't tell us what mixer you are using. If it has more than 2 busses, you may already have 4 or more basic preamps. Be advised that I could spec out the same package for 12 mics or so, with high end mics and preamps, so the total cost would be
well over $20,000. Would all that high end gear sound better? Probably. But- it might be that all that high end gear would do is reveal that your room sucks in glorious detail. If your budget is a little higher, I could recommend modest upgrades in preamps and mics. Best of luck-Richie
 
Well what I do for recording Drums Is I have My Drums Miced and Going into my 8 Channel Mixer(8 Mics on a 5 Piece Kit) and out from my Mixer into my Delta 44"s 1 and 2 Channels in stereo...I have the Drums Levels set up perfectly on the Mixer which I had to do through Trial and error but once it is set up I just Marked the Levels on the Mixer so I can get the same settings again if I ever have to change them....

Since I am the Only One in My Band I usually record the Drum Tracks First in stereo, and then I Mic up My Bass amp into my Mixer"s Pre amps and out into my Delta 44 and then record the Bass Track and then Record the Guitar Track and Vocals if I need them and then it is Time For Mixing down and adding Plugins and Filters ect and I finally have a Finnished Song....

I can even Record Bass and Guitars and Drums Live if I want useing a couple external Pre-amps and then add Vocals later.....

For what I do my setup seems to work Just Fine for me and I get Fairly good sounding recordings and without a Whole Lot of Equipment.....

Cheers
 
So Minion, you're saying that if I take the output of my mixer (say from the stereo tape/line out) and input to the soundcard that I will have a stereo feed recording into my computer on one track?

I'm not really asking what gear to buy, which is why I didn't give a budget. I was basically asking what was the basic gear I needed, reguardless of how much it costs seeing as how if I need it, then obviously I'm going to have to buy it. Now yes, you can say that you "need" high end gear and we can debate that forever I'm sure.

And I have a Behringer PMX2000 mixer. Yeah yeah I know Behringer has a bad rep with most people it seems, but I'm not really recording commercially right now, so it works for me.

I might be leaning towards getting a standalone unit, then just running the audio to my computer after I record it. Who knows, I'm constantly changing my mind.
 
Well My Mixer has a "Record Out" and that is what I use to output to my Sound Card...My sound Card has 4 Ballaned Mono Inputs so i take the Left "Record Out" from my Mixer and Plug it into Input 1 on my Sound Card and connect the Right "Record Out" into Channel "2" of my sound Card and in my Recording Software (Mackie Traction 2.1) I have the Option of Linking Inputs 1 & 2 into a single Stereo Track or I can have the Left and Right (Input 1 & 2) as seperate Ballanced Mono Tracks.....

You have to set up your Levels on the Mixer to take advantage of stereo recording , Meaning the snare and Bass drum should be centered and the First Tom should be panned to the Left and the Second Centered and the Third tom (Floor) should be Panned right and you allso pan your overheads left and Right...This way when the Drummer does a Drum roll you hear it starting on the Left speaker and it finnishes on the right speaker, If you don"t do this type of thing you get the same thing comeing out of both speakers which would basicly be Mono .....

You will probably have to have a proper Recording Sound Card to Get the Best results as a cheapo Sound Blaster won"t really Cut it but you can get a 4 in 4 out Sound Card for about $125...
(EMU 0404,M-Audio AudioPhile 2496, Ect or if you need more Inputs then maybe a M-Audio Delta 1010LT for somewere arround $300 but you will still need pre-amps to use the Inputs with Mics)

Many Sound Cards/Audio Interfaces will come with recording software and there are quite a few Freeware Multi-Track recording programs also available and many demo versions of the More popular programs so you can try them to see what works best for you before you fork out any cash...


I feel it is definately cheaper and more flexable to start out useing a Computer recording setup because to start out all you really need is a proper recording interface (sound card) and a PC and of course your outboard equipment like amps and Instruments...And there are so many Plugins available that it is basicly like haveing a super Huge effects Rack (I haven"t even tried 10% of all of the plugins I have) and this type of thing in the Hardware World would cost you megga $$$ were the Plugins in many cases are even free....


Cheers
 
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